84-Simba Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 Hi there ! I noticed something strange and could not find anything. When the Viper is cold and dark you can, using a 3-way switch, go from off to anti-skid to parking brake, and from to parking brake to anti-skid to off normaly. But when the engine is running, you can go up (off-AS-PB) but you cannot go down from PB to AS. You have to go off and then go AS. I tried with and without the brake-pedals depressed, no change. Is that something I am missing ? Thx
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 20, 2022 ED Team Posted January 20, 2022 Hi, so you are using a physical toggle switch correct? The parking brake is powered by battery bus No. 2 and system B hydraulics as far as I remember, so wont engage until they are energised. If you do it with your mouse switch when cold and dark it should just spring back to anti-skid. If you are doing it with a physical toggle it will hold in place. If I am miss understanding the issue please attach a short track replay thanks 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
84-Simba Posted January 20, 2022 Author Posted January 20, 2022 Okay, interesting I'll try that. But it doesn't explain why I can't go from PB directly to AS when the engine is on, does it ?
Carbon715 Posted January 20, 2022 Posted January 20, 2022 So anytime battery is applied or main power, parking brake will be held in position magnetically (this is one of our steps for engine running in RL, main power and parking brake on) throttle advanced slightly will disengage whether engine power is there or not...as for parking brake to anti skid, if you are using a physical toggle I'm not sure but I'm always able to left click to antiskid once I'm ready to taxi. The only thing I can think of since you said a 3 way switch is if your 3 way switch has a logic button asigned to mid position...if it does not I don't think you will be able to go back to antiskid like that... That mid or center position has to be assigned to anti skid
Carbon715 Posted January 20, 2022 Posted January 20, 2022 *The reason it works cold and dark is because there is no energy to the in sim switch so it falls back to antiskid when your physical switch goes back to center* 1
84-Simba Posted January 20, 2022 Author Posted January 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, Carbon715 said: So anytime battery is applied or main power, parking brake will be held in position magnetically (this is one of our steps for engine running in RL, main power and parking brake on) throttle advanced slightly will disengage whether engine power is there or not...as for parking brake to anti skid, if you are using a physical toggle I'm not sure but I'm always able to left click to antiskid once I'm ready to taxi. The only thing I can think of since you said a 3 way switch is if your 3 way switch has a logic button asigned to mid position...if it does not I don't think you will be able to go back to antiskid like that... That mid or center position has to be assigned to anti skid Yes, it is a true 3 positions switch I believe (it's the 3 positions flap switch on the Winwing Orion throttle base). Ok, understood for the cold and dark behaviour. I'll do a quick track then. Thanks buddies.
Carbon715 Posted January 20, 2022 Posted January 20, 2022 The only fix for your issue I can see is for ED to implement a "special" parking brake antiskid control bind kinda how some of the other switches are in there binding where back to center or not held in place will go back to the original setting....if that makes sense...kinda like their dogfight - center binding and msl override center 2 minutes ago, RoxSy said: Yes, it is a true 3 positions switch I believe (it's the 3 positions flap switch on the Winwing Orion throttle base). Ok, understood for the cold and dark behaviour. I'll do a quick track then. Thanks buddies. Ok that's interesting then if center position has an assignable button...I'm not sure then
84-Simba Posted January 20, 2022 Author Posted January 20, 2022 Naaaa ... I'm not requesting for something. I just want to know if it is a bug or to understand how it works. I just have to switch back to off and then AS again. Nothing crazy
JesseJames38 Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 I use the parking brake often in the F-16 and never had a issue with the switch going from parking brake to anti skin. Intact I don’t ever remember a time it switched to off. Another option is applying thrust with the jet, and that will also trip the switch back to anti skid setting. Also when using the switch I am using the mouse click to turn the switch to parking brake and to anti skid. I will check tomorrow on what my key presses are.
84-Simba Posted January 25, 2022 Author Posted January 25, 2022 Indeed, Applying a bit of thrust is allowing me to go from PB to AS directly. That's an interesting behaviour ...
Frederf Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 Applying throttle kicks off PB as it's a solenoid held switch. It's impossible for the switch to remain in PB when the plane is off. 1 1
PlainSight Posted January 25, 2022 Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, RoxSy said: Indeed, Applying a bit of thrust is allowing me to go from PB to AS directly. That's an interesting behaviour ... I have the same experience. When I flick the physical two-way switch from PB to AS position, in-game switch will flip automatically to AS after applying a bit of power. It's a bit confusing when in-game switch does not follow the physical switch right away. Edited January 25, 2022 by PlainSight [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
84-Simba Posted January 25, 2022 Author Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, PlainSight said: I have the same experience. When I flick the physical two-way switch from PB to AS position, in-game switch will flip automatically to AS after applying a bit of power. It's a bit confusing when in-game switch does not follow the physical switch right away. Well, weird but once you get it you deal with it. I just push on the brakes, apply thrust and switch to AS. Coming from the Hornet the Viper is pretty special to work with. A totally different workflow.
Frederf Posted January 26, 2022 Posted January 26, 2022 There are 7 actions associated with this switch by default: ANTI-SKID Switch - OFF acting on AntiSkidSw_EXT with down = -1 ANTI-SKID Switch - ANTI-SKID acting on AntiSkidSw_EXT with down = 0 ANTI-SKID Switch - PARKING BRAKE acting on AntiSkidSw_EXT with down = 1 & up = 0 ANTI-SKID Switch - Up acting on ParkingSw with down = 1 & up = 0 ANTI-SKID Switch - Down acting on AntiSkidSw with down = -1 ANTI-SKID Switch (special) - OFF/ANTI-SKID acting on AntiSkidSw with down = -1 & up = 0 ANTI-SKID Switch (special) - PARKING BRAKE/ANTI-SKID acting on AntiSkidSw with down = 1 & up = 0 It's not immediately obvious what behavior is even desirable out of a non-solenoid computer input device to interact with this simulated switch. No matter what you do the physical input device state and the simulated switch cannot be in perfect sync. Either the switch is holding a position that would normally flop off or moving a switch off doesn't cause it to be pulled off the solenoid. Personally I would make it so the switch will flop off even if the input device remains active as simulating the pilot holding a switch against a spring indefinitely is a little silly. There should be some combination of actions will produce the desired behavior even if exact simulation is fundamentally impossible (unless your joystick has a solenoid in it and you're exporting sim data). Right now that doesn't seem possible. If the switch is being held up by solenoid there is no number acting on any device which moves the switch to center, at least none of the 7 actions above. Well that's not exactly true -1 acting on AntiSkidSw does it but it will also move the switch from center to down.
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