Pilotasso Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 (edited) Story goes the plane skidded off beyond controll, and following emergency procedures the pilot ejected (safely :) ) and the plane went on plowing the nearby country field. The aircraft has not sustained serious damage and repair is underway. The pics looks worse than is, looks like the falcon is not so fragile after all. :D Belgium (it happened in belgium airbase) media is making it a bit of a frenzy considering the accident as bizarre. I recall this is not unnusual to happen in the benelux. Who knows whats hapening maybe the BAF wants an escape goat? Edited December 9, 2008 by Pilotasso .
Jester_159th Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 Looks like it ploughed a nice neat trench!! :smilewink: Glad to hear no-one was hurt.
Boneski Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 One thing you learn in Viper school is that the jet is not a good off road vehicle. There have been too many times where guys tried to stay with the jet and have it turn over on them. When that happens you get entombed in a nice casket of fuel and chemically melted plexi… Looks like the right wing dug in as well. - My mission is to fly, fight, and win. o-:|:-o What I do is sometimes get a tin of soup, heat it up, poach an egg in it, serve that with a pork pie sausage roll.
Force_Feedback Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 Wow, what mod is that? With the grass stealth I mean. Oh well, our guys would try drying and smoking it, so what the hell :D Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Fjordmonkey Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 Also notice that the jet has the Russian ID-light, similar to what the RNoAF's Viper's has. Didn't know that other countries also had that one. Regards Fjordmonkey Clustermunitions is just another way of saying that you don't like someone. I used to like people, then people ruined that for me.
ED Team Groove Posted December 9, 2008 ED Team Posted December 9, 2008 Glad to hear the pilot is okay. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
Pilotasso Posted December 9, 2008 Author Posted December 9, 2008 Wow, what mod is that? With the grass stealth I mean. Oh well, our guys would try drying and smoking it, so what the hell :D FF, for you EVERYTHING is grass. :D .
Vekkinho Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 Looks like the plane skidded to the left of the runway, right?! Now, IIRC the tires of a F-16A have only longitudinal threads so if you've got a wet runway (like in this mishap) and some oil spills you're pretty on your own during touchdown. I believe this was fixed on later Blocks (25+) with installation of larger wheel diameter + new tire type = more water displacement. I believe MVSGas has more knowledge on this subject! Something similar happened to one of Croatian PC-9M. The guy U turned on the runway within couple of meters. Thankfully no injuries and damage here too! On the other hand strong crosswind during aerobraking phase of landing roll might also cause the plane to slip off the runway when you steer only with your rudder surfaces (you're nose wheel is still in the air and NWS is used below 60kts). But anyway, I'm glad noone was hurt! Thanks for posting Pilotasso! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vekkinho Posted December 9, 2008 Posted December 9, 2008 Also notice that the jet has the Russian ID-light, similar to what the RNoAF's Viper's has. Didn't know that other countries also had that one. What do you mean Russian ID light?!! I believe it's a Search light and (AFAIK) it's present on most MLU airframes! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mvsgas Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) Looks like the plane skidded to the left of the runway, right?! Now, IIRC the tires of a F-16A have only longitudinal threads so if you've got a wet runway (like in this mishap) and some oil spills you're pretty on your own during touchdown. I believe this was fixed on later Blocks (25+) with installation of larger wheel diameter + new tire type = more water displacement. I believe MVSGas has more knowledge on this subject! Something similar happened to one of Croatian PC-9M. The guy U turned on the runway within couple of meters. Thankfully no injuries and damage here too! I have never heard of this problems on F-16A, then again I have never work on them nether. The tread being longitudinal should not affect the aircraft tires in any way AFAIK. The rubber used on most aircraft tires (at least the ones I have work on) is very soft and has a very good grip. The only concerns that I am aware of for tire is "hydroplaning" i.e. Several inches (mm if you prefer) of water on the runway and when the pilot apply brake pressure, the tire turn into skis. That is one of the reasons aircraft tire have longitudinal treads. Another concern would be brake fire cause by holding the brakes for to long, using the brakes to much or anti skid faults. There are more concerns of course but are not very frequent. Newer F-16 (Blocks 40, 42,50,52,52+ and 60) have larger landing gears and tires. Easiest way to tell is that the smallest main wheels will have bolts that hold the wheel together while the larger main wheels will be held together by a retaining ring.I am sure you guys could find better photos that I could about this. It could be a million reasons why that jet went of the off the runway. From hydraulic failure, to brakes failure, pilot error, bad luck, etc. I am sure that aircraft will have to be inspected very good before it is put back into service. Hell just the canopy ejecting will damage several things. Remember, engineer and designers just wanted to save the pilot, I do not think they put to much thought on what would the canopy damage during ejection. Glad no one got hurt. P.S. Please keep in mind that I am not an expert. I have never work on F-16A nor B (MLU nor otherwise) I have only work on block 40 and 42 ad have limited experience with blocks 30,32 and 25. I could be wrong. Edited December 10, 2008 by mvsgas Dear God I can not spell to save my life Haa :D To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Pilotasso Posted December 10, 2008 Author Posted December 10, 2008 The pilot reported no control when applying brakes. The plane just went off the runway. .
A.S Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 look that canyon he digged in there......nice example for how resistent the gears are...wow... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vekkinho Posted December 12, 2008 Posted December 12, 2008 The only concerns that I am aware of for tire is "hydroplaning" i.e. Several inches (mm if you prefer) of water on the runway and when the pilot apply brake pressure, the tire turn into skis. That is one of the reasons aircraft tire have longitudinal treads. Well that's it, when I said small wheel = bad water displacement! Was fixed on Charlie though! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Fjordmonkey Posted December 12, 2008 Posted December 12, 2008 What do you mean Russian ID light?!! I believe it's a Search light and (AFAIK) it's present on most MLU airframes! The spotlight on the left side of the nose like the one you see on the jet in this thread is called (at least we called them that in my time in the RNoAF 331/334sqd) the Russian ID-light. I wasn't aware that anyone else than the RNoAF MLU's had them, which is why I was suprised. Regards Fjordmonkey Clustermunitions is just another way of saying that you don't like someone. I used to like people, then people ruined that for me.
Pilotasso Posted December 12, 2008 Author Posted December 12, 2008 We call it mig debris recognition light. If you call it russia-ID light then you did something not quite correct :D (J/K) .
Fjordmonkey Posted December 12, 2008 Posted December 12, 2008 Well said, Pilotasso :P Regards Fjordmonkey Clustermunitions is just another way of saying that you don't like someone. I used to like people, then people ruined that for me.
Pilotasso Posted December 15, 2008 Author Posted December 15, 2008 About the ID light, heres the explanation: http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2002/articles/jan_02/polar/index.html Note that norwegian falcons have been flying with the ALQ-126 internal jammer. .
mvsgas Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 Well that's it, when I said small wheel = bad water displacement! Was fixed on Charlie though! Keep in mind Some "Charlie" models (i.e. Block 25,30,32) still have small wheels. And, again, I never heard of them having problems while landing on bad weather, other than same problems all aircraft endure while landing on same conditions. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
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