Varjo Aero: Общее руководство для новых владельцев

[Supmua]

I guess a 4080+ tier GPU might be needed to get decent framerate with motion smoothing with the current VB.  There's also a trick that can help increase the framerate by reducing LOD.  In config\graphics.lua, you can reduce LOD multiplier values (LODMULT) to 0.5 instead of 1.0.  Make sure to do a lua backup first, or do a repair in case there's a problem.

[dburne]

16 minutes ago, Supmua said:

I guess a 4080+ tier GPU might be needed to get decent framerate with motion smoothing with the current VB.  There's also a trick that can help increase the framerate by reducing LOD.  In config\graphics.lua, you can reduce LOD multiplier values (LODMULT) to 0.5 instead of 1.0.  Make sure to do a lua backup first, or do a repair in case there's a problem.

That kind of takes away the purpose of Motion Smoothing if it requires the latest GPU to even be able to run it. Motion Smoothing should help folks with lesser system be able to run the Aero.

Thanks for the tip but I am not going to mod anything.

Edited December 21, 2022 by dburne

[Toumal]

7 hours ago, dburne said:

Oh hell no, absolutely kills my performance. Previously I was running 45 fps + with a decent experience, now in the 20's and looks awful.

Definitely beta not quite ready for prime time. Release notes mentioned the performance issue, just worse than I thought it might be. I could only try my flight for like 5 minutes after the take off, it was really bad imho.

 

Is the performance worse in general or just when enabling the new mption smoothing?

In other words, should I hold off from updating?

[dburne]

1 hour ago, Toumal said:

Is the performance worse in general or just when enabling the new mption smoothing?

In other words, should I hold off from updating?

Once I disabled Motion Smoothing my performance came back to where it was, so no only when enabling Motion Smoothing does it suffer. So no real need to roll back to previous version.

[Willdass]

Well that’s a bit dissapointing. Not that I missed MR with my setup. Hopefully it gets fixed before my replacement HMD arrives. 

[Batmensch]

I have a 4090 and an Aero.  I've seen "stuttering" both with the 4090 and my old 3090, and I've seen it without.  It seems to be a problem that happens sometimes, at least for me.  Generally a reboot fixes it.  I'm using OpenXR, and all I did was put the .dll in place and run with the --force-steam-VR flag.  No other changes.  

[dburne]

10 minutes ago, Batmensch said:

I have a 4090 and an Aero.  I've seen "stuttering" both with the 4090 and my old 3090, and I've seen it without.  It seems to be a problem that happens sometimes, at least for me.  Generally a reboot fixes it.  I'm using OpenXR, and all I did was put the .dll in place and run with the --force-steam-VR flag.  No other changes.  

Are you referring to running the new Beta of Motion Smoothing in 3.8?

[Maksim Savelev]

Hello! Havent been touching Aero for a year, was waiting for Motion Smoothness. 3.8 has this feature at least on the paper.  Well installed it today. Found out that nothing else have been done for the year, still need to run special command to get rid of 4 displays mirroring and still need to swap from top to btm through the autoexec, so well done Varjo. Was trying to use this smoothness. Either I'm doing something wrong or its not working like it normally works with HP or any other Headset. Well I guess Pimax is not only company with such a unique way of delivering...

Edited December 25, 2022 by Maksim Savelev

[dburne]

1 hour ago, Maksim Savelev said:

Hello! Havent been touching Aero for a year, was waiting for Motion Smoothness. 3.8 has this feature at least on the paper.  Well installed it today. Found out that nothing else have been done for the year, still need to run special command to get rid of 4 displays mirroring and still need to swap from top to btm through the autoexec, so well done Varjo. Was trying to use this smoothness. Either I'm doing something wrong or its not working like it normally works with HP or any other Headset. Well I guess Pimax is not only company with such a unique way of delivering...

 

Varjo's Motion Smoothing they released in Beta form is very much broken and horrid for most. Best not to try and use it currently , hopefully they will make big improvements to it sooner rather than later. A lot of excitement was built up for this, it is pretty bad.

[grifnizzle]

Been trying to tweak my new Aero for the past week and I'm still confused on a few things. First of all, I'm running the game via steam, not stand alone. Do I still have to include the -- force_steamVR command? Isn't that redundant if I'm launching from Steam? For the heck of it I tried making the desktop shortcut with the command line add anyway it DCS just wouldn't launch.

Also having issues really dialing in the cross eye tool. Swapping top/bottom for both eyes improved the image 95%, but getting that last bit dialed in where there's no more 'double cursors' in the cockpit anywhere is proving elusive. Everytime I try to adjust the slides beyond the 'swapped top/bottom' values I just end up making it worse and having to start all over again. Any tips/tricks for a smoothbrain?

[dburne]

2 minutes ago, grifnizzle said:

Been trying to tweak my new Aero for the past week and I'm still confused on a few things. First of all, I'm running the game via steam, not stand alone. Do I still have to include the -- force_steamVR command? Isn't that redundant if I'm launching from Steam? For the heck of it I tried making the desktop shortcut with the command line add anyway it DCS just wouldn't launch.

Also having issues really dialing in the cross eye tool. Swapping top/bottom for both eyes improved the image 95%, but getting that last bit dialed in where there's no more 'double cursors' in the cockpit anywhere is proving elusive. Everytime I try to adjust the slides beyond the 'swapped top/bottom' values I just end up making it worse and having to start all over again. Any tips/tricks for a smoothbrain?

 

Steam and Steam VR are two different programs. Yes you will still need to use the nomenclature above.

Not sure on your second question.

[grifnizzle]

So when I hit start in steam and it gives the 3 options ("Play DCS", "Launch in SteamVR Mode", "Launch in Oculus VR Mode"), selecting SteamVR mode isn't sufficient?

[dburne]

37 minutes ago, grifnizzle said:

So when I hit start in steam and it gives the 3 options ("Play DCS", "Launch in SteamVR Mode", "Launch in Oculus VR Mode"), selecting SteamVR mode isn't sufficient?

Should be I would think, give it a try and if not go to using manual start of Steam VR. You will still need the addemum to the shortcut though either way.  I don't have Steam version of DCS so can not test this for ya.

Edited December 29, 2022 by dburne

[grifnizzle]

Tried the desktop shortcut method (won't launch/crashes right after chief logo pops up), and adding argument to properties in steam itself (half and half won't launch/launches normally with no difference/steam overlay). Anyone else use steam (I know, I know! I have my reasons) and rockin' an Aero? Niche within a niche within a niche, I get it, but fingers crossed cause I'm flummoxed

[Raz_Specter]

this is my shortcut which works a treat

 

"C:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\bin\DCS.exe" --force_steam_VR --force_enable_VR

[dburne]

3 hours ago, Raz_Specter said:

this is my shortcut which works a treat

 

"C:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\bin\DCS.exe" --force_steam_VR --force_enable_VR

 

Same here - I think. I now just click on Steam VR in Varjo Base and it launches immediately and is all good. Not sure if that way is actually using that any more or not.

[Supmua]

On 12/29/2022 at 2:44 PM, grifnizzle said:

Tried the desktop shortcut method (won't launch/crashes right after chief logo pops up), and adding argument to properties in steam itself (half and half won't launch/launches normally with no difference/steam overlay). Anyone else use steam (I know, I know! I have my reasons) and rockin' an Aero? Niche within a niche within a niche, I get it, but fingers crossed cause I'm flummoxed

When SteamVR crashes for whatever reason, it will automatically disable all add-ons (including Varjo) the next time you run it which may result in game crashing/incompatibility.  This is the safe mode to ensure that SteamVR GUI will function after a crash.  However, Varjo add-on for SteamVR is required for normal SteamVR operation with this headset.  The sequence to make sure things work correctly is to start Varjo Base, then manually start SteamVR (either via Varjo Base or Steam GUI) then go to SteamVR settings and make sure all the add-ons are enabled, then launch DCS.  If and when things work properly, you can skip manual SteamVR launch as it will happen automatically.

Remember that crash will not happen even if you do not run DCS via force command line as it will simply go into Varjo quad rendering mode, but crash will happen if SteamVR Varjo add-on is disabled.

Edited January 4, 2023 by Supmua

[Willdass]

Just got my replacement unit. Happy to say that the image reflections are less prominent on this unit. BUT I have severe coil whine... The previous unit was indeed loud when the fans ran, but this one has a constant coil whine type sound all the time.. I can deal with GPU coil whine but when the sound is this close to my ears it was really uncomfortable.

Anyone experienced something similar?

Edit: The sound frequency changes when I change IPD

Edited January 4, 2023 by Willdass

[dburne]

42 minutes ago, Willdass said:

Just got my replacement unit. Happy to say that the image reflections are less prominent on this unit. BUT I have severe coil whine... The previous unit was indeed loud when the fans ran, but this one has a constant coil whine type sound all the time.. I can deal with GPU coil whine but when the sound is this close to my ears it was really uncomfortable.

Anyone experienced something similar?

Edit: The sound frequency changes when I change IPD

 

Sounds like another support ticket is needed. Shame.

[Willdass]

5 minutes ago, dburne said:

Sounds like another support ticket is needed. Shame.

Indeed... Already sent. Really frustrating as the sound is most prominent at my IPD setting as well, my luck I guess. Hopefully they can send me a new one as soon as I return this one, so I don't have to wait the extra week this time.

[Wolf8312]

I was just reading a reveiw. Is it right that because of foveated rendering and other functions that the Varjo Aero actually performs better than the G2 and other headsets?

[dburne]

2 hours ago, Willdass said:

Indeed... Already sent. Really frustrating as the sound is most prominent at my IPD setting as well, my luck I guess. Hopefully they can send me a new one as soon as I return this one, so I don't have to wait the extra week this time.

They used to send the replacement first before taking the defective back. Ask them if they will in your case having a replacement be already bad. Can't hurt to try.

[Supmua]

4 hours ago, Wolf8312 said:

I was just reading a reveiw. Is it right that because of foveated rendering and other functions that the Varjo Aero actually performs better than the G2 and other headsets?

The Aero uses NIVIDIA’s DSC compression video and that lowers the bandwidth requirement for rendering vs headsets that don’t use it.  Foveation right now is mostly gimmick and only works with Varjo workspace and very few apps.  It may help performance but at the expense of blurry peripheral vision when you glance around quickly.  

[dpj463]

I need some instruction on the cross eyed app.  I tried the suggested swap and the result was a weird fish eye effect that is awful.

i tried to get the app to appear  to reverse my changes but cannot seem to get it to work.  The autoexec file was removed to the desktop.  Relaunched dcs….did not work.    Put the autoexec file back and launched dcs…..did not work.  Any help would be appreciated

so far I am mixed on the hmd.  It does not seem to be much better in terms of display quality than my G2….when looking at the vitrual,desktop, the fonts are not very clear.

sys:  i9-13900k  msi 4090   64gb mem

Edited January 5, 2023 by dpj463

[Number481]

1 hour ago, dpj463 said:

I need some instruction on the cross eyed app.  I tried the suggested swap and the result was a weird fish eye effect that is awful.

i tried to get the app to appear  to reverse my changes but cannot seem to get it to work.  The autoexec file was removed to the desktop.  Relaunched dcs….did not work.    Put the autoexec file back and launched dcs…..did not work.  Any help would be appreciated

so far I am mixed on the hmd.  It does not seem to be much better in terms of display quality than my G2….when looking at the vitrual,desktop, the fonts are not very clear.

sys:  i9-13900k  msi 4090   64gb mem

 

There is a "VR preferences" file that is created in your save games folder that you need to delete in order to run the tool again.  Unsure what the file name might be as I don't use the tool since I am running with OpenComposite/OpenXR which doesn't need the correction.