Varjo Aero: Общее руководство для новых владельцев

[Supmua]

1 hour ago, Gunnars Driver said:

Well, the picture get all grey and the ipd adjustment moves like wehn the headset in started up/connected. If the fovea controlled rendering is set to always calibrate, that ipd/eye tracking calibration also runs. I did find though that if it was set to remember my calibration that part is skipped and the time from getting thrown out of the game is much shorter. In any case, as it takes 5-10seconds, in a car race its always a crash and in DCS it ia catastrofic 50% of the times it happens. For what I can understand it is a complete restart of the varjos.

I did have this issue from quite early after delivery but I thought it would be a varjo base glitch, as my varjos was almost not used(had a very busy year last year). 

I noticed the sound get trown away also, so discord is out after a restart and the DCS sound reverts to the computer speakers. 

I did build a completely new computer just before christmas so the hardware is all new. It shouldnt be something like that I guess.

Only one week left until the one year day when the warranty goes out so I need to sort it out asap.

I have made a support request, but I think I need to know a little more, thats why I ask.

 

 

 

The motion smoothing seems hopefull. As most other headsets have it it would be strange if varjo could hang on to that train. I'm actually a bit surprised about it taking so long. My computer upgrade was partly because there was no reprojection and I am sensitive to non smooth gaming. 

After the upgrade is mostly works very fine. I dont always have 90fps but quite often and when below it mostly is not very low numbers and noth very much stutter.

I attached a fpsVR report, showing the numbers. 

 

This smells like disconnection issue between headset and PC, but at what level? software vs hardware?.  Best leave it to Varjo's tech support.

I tested NVIDIA Resizable Bar option.  Unfortunately, no change in performance seen with DCS--at least on my rig.  But since it increases performance in a lot of non-VR games I'm leaving it on.

Edited February 3, 2023 by Supmua

[dburne]

2 hours ago, Darpa said:

Thanks dburne,   

Just to be clear then.. The place I go in the Steam app to make the change to OpenXR only applies to DCS and no other apps - correct?  thanks again.

 

 

That is my line of thinking. By making that change in Steam VR you are telling it to be the default Open XR runtime rather than Varjo runtime when a game is calling upon Open XR to run. And that comes from adding in the Open XR nomenclature to the DCS shortcut. 

[Gunnars Driver]

On 2/3/2023 at 1:07 AM, Supmua said:

This smells like disconnection issue between headset and PC, but at what level? software vs hardware?.  Best leave it to Varjo's tech support.

I tested NVIDIA Resizable Bar option.  Unfortunately, no change in performance seen with DCS--at least on my rig.  But since it increases performance in a lot of non-VR games I'm leaving it on.

 

I did some intense tests ladt night.

90 minutes of Assetto corsa - no issues what so ever. I had that at least once/15 minutes before.

DCS - I use the Steam OpenVR mod.

Before I had the usb cable issue (now fixed) I had very good performance. More or less no stutter and the average fps was 87 or so.

Now there is two ”red” (>22ms) framedrops coming in pair, about each 3-5 seconds. This causes bad stutter.

I did use my reverb while waiting for the repair kit but no settings was really changed.

I did a update to latest DCS Open beta (was just one hatch behind so no big difference.

I also did one update to the latest Varjo Base. 
 Thats it, I guess. Something isnt right now.

Did they change anything avout the steamVR openVR settings?

 

Resizable bar - I was skeptic when I did get the 4090, but after the new built computer I started with it on and everything worked very fine, so keeping it on. 
 

[Edit]An update:

The basic issue was fixed with the repair kit sent from Varjo - It was probably the USB C cable thstnwas broken.

Even better, I think I did find the issue with the disconnnections - It seems like the issue was a USB 3 hickup. 
After disconnection and uninstalling my Logitech Keyboard and mouse it was possible to play for 90 minutes without a single disconnect in Asetto Corsa. First time ever with the Varjo. 
I only tested DCS very briefly but it seems like it is fixed there too.

 

Edited February 19, 2023 by Gunnars Driver
Issue probably solved

[Supmua]

I’m not sure they changed much (after the hotfix update). The default DCS output is back to OpenVR runtime which is the same as before. I’d love for OpenXR to be the default runtime so we don’t have to deal with the command line and DCS shortcut, but it is what it is. 

[Harlikwin]

So mostly happy new owner, thanks Spuma for the guide, made setup a snap.

 

One problem VrNecksafer, I was using it before, but now all it does is displace me under the plane looking backwards...

Any knowledge here how to get it to work? 

 

Also I can't seem to get openXr working for DCS. using the force-openXR command. I am running this through steam though. I've gotten openXr working with my G2 before so do I have to set it up that way to get it work with the aero.

Mostly because XrNecksafer does seem to work in MSFS. However point control doesn't. 

Edited February 18, 2023 by Harlikwin

[obious]

Hi All,

I’m thinking of buying an Aero next month but to save me reading all 23 pages of this thread, can someone tell me if I have to go through all the setup/config steps as listed out on the first post of have things been simplified since then?

I currently have a Reverb G1 and whilst technology may have moved on since I bought it, I do love the fact that I can just plug it into my PC, fire up SteamVR and DCS and I’m flying pretty damn quickly. 
 

Thanks 

[dburne]

41 minutes ago, obious said:

Hi All,

I’m thinking of buying an Aero next month but to save me reading all 23 pages of this thread, can someone tell me if I have to go through all the setup/config steps as listed out on the first post of have things been simplified since then?

I currently have a Reverb G1 and whilst technology may have moved on since I bought it, I do love the fact that I can just plug it into my PC, fire up SteamVR and DCS and I’m flying pretty damn quickly. 
 

Thanks 

 

You can be up and running in Steam VR in no time. Lot of folks apparently like getting way into the weeds with things hence the Open XR Developer Tools their party software and all the additional settings one can set in it.

I personally just run my Aero with Steam VR and very much enjoy the simplicity.

[obious]

54 minutes ago, dburne said:

Awesome, just what I was wanting to hear. I take it you also run the Varjo Base app on your PC? FWIW, I’ve just returned a Quest Pro; whilst the lenses and vertical FOV were excellent, the resolution left a little to be desired so I’m hoping the Aero is worth the £2.5k price here in the UK. Also, I've seen that there was/is some stuttering issues with the headset and RTX 4XXX series cards, that still the case or have Varjo fixed the problem? 

Edited February 18, 2023 by obious

[dburne]

21 minutes ago, obious said:

Awesome, just what I was wanting to hear. I take it you also run the Varjo Base app on your PC? FWIW, I’ve just returned a Quest Pro; whilst the lenses and vertical FOV were excellent, the resolution left a little to be desired so I’m hoping the Aero is worth the £2.5k price here in the UK

 

Well whether it is worth the high price is a very subjective thing depending on the individual. For me it was. And yes I run Varjo Base along with Steam VR. 

It does not have a lot of vertical FOV, but imho makes up for it in the image clarity department.

[motoadve]

Varjo Aero is amazing, make you have a fast video card and DCS runs pretty good. I preferred Open XR, not the tool but the wrapper which is very easy to install and fixes the mouse control problems.

Either way the Varjo it works pretty good in IL2 in Open XR or Steam VR.

[Harlikwin]

1 hour ago, obious said:

Awesome, just what I was wanting to hear. I take it you also run the Varjo Base app on your PC? FWIW, I’ve just returned a Quest Pro; whilst the lenses and vertical FOV were excellent, the resolution left a little to be desired so I’m hoping the Aero is worth the £2.5k price here in the UK. Also, I've seen that there was/is some stuttering issues with the headset and RTX 4XXX series cards, that still the case or have Varjo fixed the problem? 

 

No issue with the 4090 in dcs. I did see some lagging/stutter in msfs but not sure if its 4090 related.

Getting it running in steamvr is straightforward. Aside from the fact I cant seem to get nexcksafer to work. 

All my attempts at openXR have failed this far. 

 

 

Edited February 18, 2023 by Harlikwin

[Harlikwin]

2 hours ago, dburne said:

 

Well whether it is worth the high price is a very subjective thing depending on the individual. For me it was. And yes I run Varjo Base along with Steam VR. 

It does not have a lot of vertical FOV, but imho makes up for it in the image clarity department.

I was actually pretty disappointed by that. I'm still tweaking the crap out of it (cant get openXr to work at all). But my hope is to be able to read cockpit text without having to zoom in like with the G2. Generally the clarity is a bit better than the G2 RN, hoping I can optimize that. 

[obious]

6 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

I was actually pretty disappointed by that. I'm still tweaking the crap out of it (cant get openXr to work at all). But my hope is to be able to read cockpit text without having to zoom in like with the G2. Generally the clarity is a bit better than the G2 RN, hoping I can optimize that. 

do you think you're asking a bit much of a 2080ti to push that many pixels? Before I had a 4090 I had a 3080ti and even that struggled to give me 90fps with half decent settings in DCS 

[Harlikwin]

20 minutes ago, obious said:

do you think you're asking a bit much of a 2080ti to push that many pixels? Before I had a 4090 I had a 3080ti and even that struggled to give me 90fps with half decent settings in DCS 

I have a 4090

[obious]

18 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

I have a 4090

May want to update your signature 

[dburne]

1 hour ago, Harlikwin said:

I was actually pretty disappointed by that. I'm still tweaking the crap out of it (cant get openXr to work at all). But my hope is to be able to read cockpit text without having to zoom in like with the G2. Generally the clarity is a bit better than the G2 RN, hoping I can optimize that. 

 

You don't need Open XR in order to be able to read cockpit text. You just need to run the higher resolution and adjust your settings to give a constant 45+ fps.

I set mine to run locked at 45 fps in Varjo Base to give me a pretty smooth experience and some additional head room. I run Varjo Base at the High setting and Steam VR resolution upwards of 80-90% depending on aircraft and map used. 

[Supmua]

23 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

So mostly happy new owner, thanks Spuma for the guide, made setup a snap.

 

One problem VrNecksafer, I was using it before, but now all it does is displace me under the plane looking backwards...

Any knowledge here how to get it to work? 

 

Also I can't seem to get openXr working for DCS. using the force-openXR command. I am running this through steam though. I've gotten openXr working with my G2 before so do I have to set it up that way to get it work with the aero.

Mostly because XrNecksafer does seem to work in MSFS. However point control doesn't. 

 

Use Necksafer Beta2 version instead of the newest one.

[Supmua]

6 hours ago, obious said:

Awesome, just what I was wanting to hear. I take it you also run the Varjo Base app on your PC? FWIW, I’ve just returned a Quest Pro; whilst the lenses and vertical FOV were excellent, the resolution left a little to be desired so I’m hoping the Aero is worth the £2.5k price here in the UK. Also, I've seen that there was/is some stuttering issues with the headset and RTX 4XXX series cards, that still the case or have Varjo fixed the problem? 

 

Stuttering has been fixed but motion smoothing isn't, hopefully will be in the next version.

[Harlikwin]

2 hours ago, Supmua said:

Use Necksafer Beta2 version instead of the newest one.

So, there are 2 versions, 

VRnecksafer which afaik uses 2.01,2.02 etc to 2.09 versions. This one is whats broken but interacts with DCS in steam VR mode.

Then there is XRnecksafer that has the "beta" 2-5 nomenclature. This AFAIK won't work with steam VR (I did try but nothing happens) (works fine with MSFS)

I'm willing to give OpenXr a go, but I can't get DCS to launch into OpenXR using any of those arguments on page-1. I'm on the steam version, which does let you use those args but it doesn't seem to accept them or use them.

5 hours ago, dburne said:

 

You don't need Open XR in order to be able to read cockpit text. You just need to run the higher resolution and adjust your settings to give a constant 45+ fps.

I set mine to run locked at 45 fps in Varjo Base to give me a pretty smooth experience and some additional head room. I run Varjo Base at the High setting and Steam VR resolution upwards of 80-90% depending on aircraft and map used. 

Yeah I cranked it max and that was big improvement, definitely more clear than the G2 and with a very large sweet spot. I'm still getting 45+ per the dcs tool, and it seems perfectly smooth so I'm happy. Necksafer is the only thing I need to get working. 

Edited February 19, 2023 by Harlikwin

[Supmua]

I don’t have the Steam version of DCS, but I suspect that you may need to add the force command line differently.  Try R click on DCS from Steam and choose Properties, and under Launch Options add the force OpenXR command line that way.  Let me know if it works too.

Edited February 19, 2023 by Supmua

[Harlikwin]

17 hours ago, Supmua said:

I don’t have the Steam version of DCS, but I suspect that you may need to add the force command line differently.  Try R click on DCS from Steam and choose Properties, and under Launch Options add the force OpenXR command line that way.  Let me know if it works too.

 

Yeah I tried that too, doesn't work. Either the shortcut or doing it directly in steam, it still just boots into steamVR.

I recently read in the other OpenXr thread some recent windows updates might have broken stuff so IDK if its steam, me, updates.

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And now weirdly it will start steamVR on the screen, however the headset thinks its running openXr and showing a blank screen (can see this in the Aero software "reapater" view)

Edited February 20, 2023 by Harlikwin

[Willdass]

@Harlikwin I use steam version and I get around using steam all together. I made a new desktop shortcut from  dcs.exe (located in steamapps folder), and inserted the command into that shortcut.

Have not had any issues.

[Supmua]

Motion smoothing seems to be fixed in the latest beta--and it's good from my brief experience before leaving home for work (tested with Steam OpenXR).  Go to Discord and ask to get in if you want to test this.  If you use mbucchia's wrapper that disables Quad view or any mods that go directly into the Varjo folder my recommendation before installing the beta is that you should also manually remove the entire Varjo folder in the C drive (or wherever your default location is) prior to installing the new software because there might be some conflict causing DCS to crash (might have been the old VarjoOpenXR.json in my case).

Edited February 20, 2023 by Supmua

[motoadve]

44 minutes ago, Supmua said:

Motion smoothing seems to be fixed in the latest beta--and it's good from my brief experience before leaving home for work (tested with Steam OpenXR).  Go to Discord and ask to get in if you want to test this.  If you use mbucchia's wrapper that disables Quad view or any mods that go directly into the Varjo folder my recommendation before installing the beta is that you should also manually remove the entire Varjo folder in the C drive (or wherever your default location is) prior to installing the new software because there might be some conflict causing DCS to crash (might have been the old VarjoOpenXR.json in my case).

 

Are you forced to be locked at 45 or 30FPS with vertical Synch enabled?

Just asked to join the latest beta.

[dburne]

1 hour ago, Supmua said:

Motion smoothing seems to be fixed in the latest beta--and it's good from my brief experience before leaving home for work (tested with Steam OpenXR).  Go to Discord and ask to get in if you want to test this.  If you use mbucchia's wrapper that disables Quad view or any mods that go directly into the Varjo folder my recommendation before installing the beta is that you should also manually remove the entire Varjo folder in the C drive (or wherever your default location is) prior to installing the new software because there might be some conflict causing DCS to crash (might have been the old VarjoOpenXR.json in my case).

 

 

Sounds promising thanks for the update. I am just waiting on release version here.