Varjo Aero: Общее руководство для новых владельцев

[motoadve]

14 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Interesting I was using Motion Smoothing and 37 PPD. May try it again tomorrow (reducing periphery) without Motion Smoothing and see how it does.

I am down to 0.4 peripheral and the performance increased and cannot see the edges, give it a try.

[dburne]

9 minutes ago, motoadve said:

I am down to 0.4 peripheral and the performance increased and cannot see the edges, give it a try.

 

Are you using any vsync in Varjo Base?

[motoadve]

1 hour ago, dburne said:

 

Are you using any vsync in Varjo Base?

No, any value below 0.7 in peripheral DCS will crash with VSYNC and motion smoothing.

VSYNC alone, I never use it, is never smooth

 

Edited March 29, 2023 by motoadve

[Gasman63]

IS anyone else having issue with Eye tracking crashing? OXRTK is off, MT version, 37ppd, 12900K with 3090RTX. DFR is on default settings. Some days runs fine, others (usually Multiplayer with higher ping) will begin crashing after a variable amount of time. Crash causes the Alarm ding, flickering and reverting to the low res peripheral display over the who screen. I've reloaded Varjo base etc. 

Any suggestions welcome. 

 

[Supmua]

2 hours ago, Gasman63 said:

IS anyone else having issue with Eye tracking crashing? OXRTK is off, MT version, 37ppd, 12900K with 3090RTX. DFR is on default settings. Some days runs fine, others (usually Multiplayer with higher ping) will begin crashing after a variable amount of time. Crash causes the Alarm ding, flickering and reverting to the low res peripheral display over the who screen. I've reloaded Varjo base etc. 

Any suggestions welcome. 

 

DFR looks great but I’ve had more stability issues both in terms of crashes and frametime spikes with it especially with long missions.  So for complex missions I’ve been using Steam OpenXR instead because crashes mean another hour of repeating everything all over again.  
For light flying 10-15 min, DFR works fine for me.  For heavy duty stuff stability comes first. YMMV. 
 

Try turning off HAGS if you are using it, also NVIDIA reBAR, these may contribute to instability. 

Edited March 29, 2023 by Supmua

[alfred2704]

6 hours ago, Gasman63 said:

IS anyone else having issue with Eye tracking crashing? OXRTK is off, MT version, 37ppd, 12900K with 3090RTX. DFR is on default settings. Some days runs fine, others (usually Multiplayer with higher ping) will begin crashing after a variable amount of time. Crash causes the Alarm ding, flickering and reverting to the low res peripheral display over the who screen. I've reloaded Varjo base etc. 

Any suggestions welcome. 

 

Try to disable turbo  mode in settings.cfg file, turbo_mode=0

[dburne]

16 hours ago, motoadve said:

No, any value below 0.7 in peripheral DCS will crash with VSYNC and motion smoothing.

VSYNC alone, I never use it, is never smooth

 

 

 

Getting great results with both vsync and motion smoothing off. I am at 90 fps much more of the time.

Flew the Persian Gulf cold start mission in Hornet, once on catapult for takeoff I hit 90 fps. Stayed 90 throughout entire flight, even over towns. I also flew a campaign mission in the Spitfire on Normandy map. It is more demanding - I think it is primarily the map, but was at 90 fps much of the time and it never really dropped below 70 in some places. All very smooth with a very occasional frametime hiccup - not enough to be a deal breaker though.

Seems vsync and motion smoothing comes with a slight performance penalty. Still playing with default DFR numbers. May try adjusting them again some next but I am pretty happy where it is now.

Edited March 29, 2023 by dburne

[motoadve]

What does Turbo mode exaclty does?

[unlikely_spider]

7 minutes ago, motoadve said:

What does Turbo mode exaclty does?

It takes the exhaust from the HMD and uses it to power a turbine, which injects compressed air into the headset for a more powerful detonation per frame

[motoadve]

12 minutes ago, unlikely_spider said:

It takes the exhaust from the HMD and uses it to power a turbine, which injects compressed air into the headset for a more powerful detonation per frame

So burns more fuel?

 

[unlikely_spider]

5 minutes ago, motoadve said:

So burns more fuel?

 

It depends on how you look at it!

All else equal, sure. But think of your 4 cylinder HMD with Turbo compared to a larger, naturally-aspirated 6 cylinder headset. The turbo allows for the same horsepower with less displacement, and less fuel consumption than what would traditionally have been a larger, heavier headset with a V-6 if they wanted to increase FPS and quarter mile times.

[Supmua]

DFR's been more stable for me today but I'm locking 45 fps (without motion smoothing), also reduce textures to medium.  Air spotting is much easier when the resolution is high (focus 1.2  PPD 37).  I had much easier time spotting and chasing the 2 Mirage leads in the Syria Camp DLC 1st mission, before this had to use AA radar to help track at times because I couldn't see jack whenever they pulled away.  Still with significant frame drops on the ground at airport vs Steam OpenXR but better in other aspects.

Edited March 29, 2023 by Supmua

[Gasman63]

6 hours ago, alfred2704 said:

Try to disable turbo  mode in settings.cfg file, turbo_mode=0

Thanks. Did a "clean" on DCS  via Skate Zilla's utility then a "repair" via the Foveated msi and in a quick test on 4YA seems to have fixed it....... so far! Will try disabling "turbo" if it recurrs.

 

[Yuma]

Anyone has any idea how to correct the night vision issue (Box) with DFR on? I tried Tacca's NVG's mod but that don't seem to work or I did not installed it properly.

[Willdass]

4 hours ago, Yuma said:

Anyone has any idea how to correct the night vision issue (Box) with DFR on? I tried Tacca's NVG's mod but that don't seem to work or I did not installed it properly.

Number481 in the Varjo Discord shared a working version of the mod. Passes IC as well. https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/1089324274118033488

Edited March 30, 2023 by Willdass
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[RedX]

On 3/29/2023 at 4:18 AM, motoadve said:

No, any value below 0.7 in peripheral DCS will crash with VSYNC and motion smoothing.

VSYNC alone, I never use it, is never smooth

 

 

Seems like a minimum resolution limit on peripheral vision with motion smoothing.

 

[GunSlingerOZ]

I've scanned this thread, but can't find the info I'm looking for. Basically, will my 5800x3d (soon to be 7950x3d) + 4090 system run the Aero at 90fps courtesy of the new DFR, during most missions? If so, I think I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and upgrade from my G2. My wallet will hate me, but if I can get reprojection-free visuals with this killer HMD, I have to give it a go.

[Wakkaman]

55 minutes ago, GunSlingerOZ said:

I've scanned this thread, but can't find the info I'm looking for. Basically, will my 5800x3d (soon to be 7950x3d) + 4090 system run the Aero at 90fps courtesy of the new DFR, during most missions? If so, I think I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and upgrade from my G2. My wallet will hate me, but if I can get reprojection-free visuals with this killer HMD, I have to give it a go.

Why not wait for the Pimax Crystal and see how it compares to the Varjo?

[Supmua]

4 hours ago, GunSlingerOZ said:

I've scanned this thread, but can't find the info I'm looking for. Basically, will my 5800x3d (soon to be 7950x3d) + 4090 system run the Aero at 90fps courtesy of the new DFR, during most missions? If so, I think I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and upgrade from my G2. My wallet will hate me, but if I can get reprojection-free visuals with this killer HMD, I have to give it a go.

It depends on your DCS settings and rendering resolution, and as long as you don't max out on everything most people with high-end setup report 90 fps or near 90 at default res.  For instant missions or simple free flying, yes.  Complex campaign missions or a large MP session, no.  DFR, imo, still has issues with more framedrops compared to traditional mode in complex missions especially on the ground/airfield with multiple objects.  From my findings, avg and max fps is better but min fps is worse due to intermittent framedrop (or frametime spike), of course this is with my setup only so YMMV.

[RedX]

5 hours ago, Supmua said:

It depends on your DCS settings and rendering resolution, and as long as you don't max out on everything most people with high-end setup report 90 fps or near 90 at default res.  For instant missions or simple free flying, yes.  Complex campaign missions or a large MP session, no.  DFR, imo, still has issues with more framedrops compared to traditional mode in complex missions especially on the ground/airfield with multiple objects.  From my findings, avg and max fps is better but min fps is worse due to intermittent framedrop (or frametime spike), of course this is with my setup only so YMMV.

I concur. 

[Gordy]

I tried reducing peripheral_multiplier from 1.0 to 0.7, and I notice the degradation - particularly in the f18 nevada free flight instant action, turning in to land in the densely urban las vegas area, I can clearly see the blockier peripheral rendering of parts of the city... the transitions from blocky to fine and back as my eyes scan the scene are distracting.     It's probably perfectly fine on less detailed landscape, but I'm sticking with 2.0 focus and 1.0 peripheral for now, where at most I notice a hint of sharpening when I look at something. 

[Gasman63]

On 3/30/2023 at 11:44 AM, Gasman63 said:

Thanks. Did a "clean" on DCS  via Skate Zilla's utility then a "repair" via the Foveated msi and in a quick test on 4YA seems to have fixed it....... so far! Will try disabling "turbo" if it recurrs.

 

Well, problem has recurred and worse than ever. Tried turbo mode off, no joy. Re-installed both Varjo base and Foveated-msi. No joy. I'm now loosing Varjo eye tracking even before I launch DCS......

 

[Supmua]

50 minutes ago, Gasman63 said:

Well, problem has recurred and worse than ever. Tried turbo mode off, no joy. Re-installed both Varjo base and Foveated-msi. No joy. I'm now loosing Varjo eye tracking even before I launch DCS......

 

Have you tried to disable overclocking, HAGS and reBAR? Also shutdown any background processes that are not necessary. 

[Gasman63]

Thanks.

HAGS is off. What is reBAR?

Xbox and Game mode had turned on in a windows reboot but are off now. no change. 

 

[Supmua]

4 hours ago, Gasman63 said:

Thanks.

HAGS is off. What is reBAR?

Xbox and Game mode had turned on in a windows reboot but are off now. no change. 

 

If you don't know what reBar is then it's not on because DCS is not on their white list for officially supported games, and there are specific workarounds to do to enable it with DCS (What is Resizable BAR, and should you use it? | Rock Paper Shotgun).

If the game is still not working right then I'd recommend uninstalling Varjo Foveated mod (and all other mods that you are using) and try to run it without DFR, and see if it's working correctly.  The easiest way to test DCS mt (without mods) now is via Steam OpenXR, because Varjo OpenXR wtihout mods will result in quadview mode (with or without DFR depending on whether you choose InstanceExtension wrapper or Foveated mod).  Just turn off Varjo OpenXR switch in VB, and select Steam OpenXR runtime in SteamVR setting/Developer.  If DCS still doesn't work then the issue may lie with your computer setup.

Edited April 2, 2023 by Supmua