Istari6 Posted May 28, 2022 Posted May 28, 2022 Sorry if this topic has been covered elsewhere, my search-fu is failing me. I'm diving into the F-14 Tomcat, starting with the A model. My goal is to learn the A and fly through the various campaigns (Zone V, Fear the Bones) before transitioning up to the B model. Figure it'll be fun to experience the historical progression of real Tomcat pilots, and to really appreciate the extra power and reliability of the F110s. However, for the A, I'm unclear on where to find emergency procedures for the TF30 engines. The Heatblur manual and various YouTube videos cover air restarts, etc, but they all seem to be tailored for the B's F110s (PRI vs SEC, etc). Do these procedures work exactly the same for the TF30? Bonus question: I've suffered single engine fires several times in training (Backfire 23mm tail gunner, usually). I pull the yellow Fuel cutoff for that affected engine, and I even mouse under and click the fire extinguisher button underneath. The fire never goes out. Is there something else I should be doing for an engine fire? 1
Dragon1-1 Posted May 28, 2022 Posted May 28, 2022 I believe fires are WIP. I hit the extinguisher and it didn't explode. I did get back to the boat (single engine traps FTW ), but the engine kept burning, so I guess they're visual only.
Istari6 Posted May 28, 2022 Author Posted May 28, 2022 27 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said: I believe fires are WIP. I hit the extinguisher and it didn't explode. I did get back to the boat (single engine traps FTW ), but the engine kept burning, so I guess they're visual only. Ah, good to know. I was concerned with a raging fire still burning back there. If that's just a visual effect and the Tomcat won't explode once fire extinguishers are triggered, I can live with that.
iantron Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 I believe the proper procedure is a bit more complex. For it to be effective you want to turn off the air source and slow down at least. The natops manual ought to have a full procedure but I haven't looked for the A model. I have noticed the temp reduce after using the extinguisher.
Dentedend10 Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 I was able to find some links on DCS forums a while back about F14 NATOPS manuals and it had F14A as well. I don’t have the links right now, let me know if you can’t find them. As far as I remember the procedure also involved gaining some altitude, but I was also unable to put the fire out and landed on the deck with one engine on fire still Alienware Aurora R10, Ryzen 5800X3D, RTX4080, 32GB RAM, Pimax Crystal, Winwing F18 throttle, VKB Gunfighter F14 Stick, VKB Modern Combat Grip, Logitech Rudder pedals, DOF Reality H3
draconus Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 HB pointed out that it works only for small fire so it's hard to test if it's correct. You don't have to click under the handle. There's clickable area over it and also keybinds. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Istari6 Posted May 29, 2022 Author Posted May 29, 2022 Thanks all. The tips on putting out the fire are helpful. Where I'm really focused is how to restart the TF30 if I have an engine failure. I've done zoom climbs in the Tomcat to 94,000 ft, then both engines fail from lack of air. I come back down into thicker air, but can't restart them. When I look at the emergency procedures in the Heatblur manual and Chuck's Guide, they seem to be for the F110.
RustBelt Posted May 31, 2022 Posted May 31, 2022 If you can't get the core spinning, you don't restart them. No battery, no APU. You just pulled a Pinnacle Airlines 3701. Core lock. Plus no battery means no Igniters, so even getting lucky and getting the engine windmilling you're still not likely to get light off. Don't let both engines die.
sLYFa Posted May 31, 2022 Posted May 31, 2022 You should be able to airstart as long as you keep above 350knots. The igniters have a seperate power source which kicks in at lower rpm. 2 i5-8600k @4.9Ghz, 2080ti , 32GB@2666Mhz, 512GB SSD
draconus Posted May 31, 2022 Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) On 5/31/2022 at 3:34 AM, RustBelt said: You just pulled a Pinnacle Airlines 3701. Core lock. Thanks for the story, but it's definitely not modeled in our F-14 and I'm not sure if even possible in F-14 IRL. Edited June 1, 2022 by draconus Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
RustBelt Posted May 31, 2022 Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) What does the NATOPS say about windmilling an engine? More likely from my experience is getting the engine spinning again isn’t modeled, or is as hard as the NATOPS says it is. What’s your memory Items for dual engine failure in the Tomcat? Aside from RIDE ROCKET CHAIR? Edited May 31, 2022 by RustBelt 1
draconus Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 Windmilling requires over 330KIAS for TF-30, can be done from 0 rpm, but the speed is advised to be kept over 300KIAS to not allow rotor lock. If it happens, it can unlock itself during the stabilised flight after 10-20min, so you need to have SE running. Over 450KIAS is required for F110, so much harder, but still available when you're fast and up high - it's a crew decision. Found it! Turbine damage is a thing, sorry. 2 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
RustBelt Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 So there’s a chance of a full “THUMP, BANG” failure on the Iranian cats hopefully!
Istari6 Posted June 3, 2022 Author Posted June 3, 2022 On 5/31/2022 at 4:20 PM, RustBelt said: What does the NATOPS say about windmilling an engine? More likely from my experience is getting the engine spinning again isn’t modeled, or is as hard as the NATOPS says it is. What’s your memory Items for dual engine failure in the Tomcat? Aside from RIDE ROCKET CHAIR? So for TF30s on engine failure, just keep speed above 330 KIAS to prevent engines from winding down, then bring throttle back to cutoff, then back up to IDLE to try reigniting?
RustBelt Posted June 3, 2022 Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) And how fast are you going to make 330 KIAS at 90,000 feet? While performing a zoom CLIMB? Edited June 3, 2022 by RustBelt
draconus Posted June 3, 2022 Posted June 3, 2022 5 hours ago, Istari6 said: So for TF30s on engine failure, just keep speed above 330 KIAS to prevent engines from winding down, then bring throttle back to cutoff, then back up to IDLE to try reigniting? Yes. It is advised to turn Air Start switch to ON before throttle to Idle. Then, if it ignites, Air Start Off. In SE failure you can also consider crossbleed start. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Istari6 Posted June 3, 2022 Author Posted June 3, 2022 20 hours ago, RustBelt said: And how fast are you going to make 330 KIAS at 90,000 feet? While performing a zoom CLIMB? Well, I was testing to see what the Tomcat can do from maximum level speed at 36,000 ft. Topped out at 94,000 ft and came back down, certainly wasn't doing 330 kts up there. But once down in thicker air, I was trying to restart without luck. Haven't had a chance to try all the tips here yet (traveling currently). 16 hours ago, draconus said: Yes. It is advised to turn Air Start switch to ON before throttle to Idle. Then, if it ignites, Air Start Off. In SE failure you can also consider crossbleed start Thanks.
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