correct as is RWR poor performance vs F-14

[skywalker22]

With the lastest update, I would say that the RWR is not working as it used to be. I will support with track and/or replay for an evidance, but  just for an instance: head-on with F-14 @30k feet, I get a missile warning at around 60nm apart, before any other sign of aicraft on RWR. I don`t think this is quite ok.

Edited June 27, 2022 by skywalker22

[BIGNEWY]

Please always include a track replay, there maybe reasons for no hit on the RWR depending on how he is targeting you.

 

[skywalker22]

Here is an example of how RWR works on F-16 against multiple aircrafts, also F-14: 

https://youtu.be/fZktJh2bqgU

Something here is not ok, would you agree?

Edited June 27, 2022 by skywalker22

[BIGNEWY]

If you dont add track replays I can not investigate it

[skywalker22]

track

f16_RWR_multiple_jets.trk

[BIGNEWY]

I am not seeing any issue, 

when I setup my own mission with a tomcat at 26k advance waypoint actions set for max range missile engagement I am picking the F-14 up on the RWR at over 50nm 

Pay special attention to the advanced waypoint actions, the loadout, the aircrafts altitude ( higher for longer range engagements ) and you should see what you are looking for, but the main point here is that the AI wont always use the radar until they need to. 

[skywalker22]

8 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

I am not seeing any issue, 

when I setup my own mission with a tomcat at 26k advance waypoint actions set for max range missile engagement I am picking the F-14 up on the RWR at over 50nm 

Pay special attention to the advanced waypoint actions, the loadout, the aircrafts altitude ( higher for longer range engagements ) and you should see what you are looking for, but the main point here is that the AI wont always use the radar until they need to. 

But if F-14 fires a fox1 in pdstt mode or fox3 in tws mode (lets say on max range, 70-80nm), you should get RWR warning of being spiked, right? So this should happen before any missile being launched. Or am I wrong?

[skywalker22]

Actually, you should get F14 on your RWR even before F-14 can see you ob his radar (thats even before I thought, before he can fire any missike in any mode). So i don't think the implementation we have right now is correct.

But on the other hand, AI might use some tricks, which does not occure when doing BVR against human.

[777coletrain]

45 minutes ago, skywalker22 said:

fox3 in tws mode (lets say on max range, 70-80nm), you should get RWR warning of being spiked, right?

You shouldn't be spiked if they are shooting an active missile at you, although you should see them on your RWR

[skywalker22]

5 hours ago, 777coletrain said:

You shouldn't be spiked if they are shooting an active missile at you, although you should see them on your RWR

Maybe I used the wrong term "spiked", sorry for that. The thing is, as soon as F-14`s radar signal touches my F-16, I should have it on my RWR.  And that should happen before F-14 can get me on his radar, but that`s not the point here. The question now is, if I will get a symbology "14" on RWR, or not?

IRL, as far as I have read and got info from other people, I should have instantly "14" symbology, since RWR has its own sensors and some logic, so it is capable of recognizing fighter jet and other planes (for which we have a rwr list).

Is this how it is in DCS as well? I got some info it is not. In DCS as far as I can tell, symbology on RWR comes 2 ways, over AWACS and/or over radar. Am I correct? So that would mean we actually don`t have RWR sensors programmed? Just trying to figure out some missing pieces, which are bugging me, and why I`m having issues with RWR.

[okopanja]

RWR is typically an array of 4-6 antennas, which is used to determine the direction the radar signal comes from. In addition it may feature recognition of emitter.

It has nothing to do with radar or DL.

Spike: you got locked in STT mode.

Nails: your are ocassionally getting hit by emitter. He may be in search mode, or TWS, which may mean that missile already flies your way.

[Tango3B]

23 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

I am not seeing any issue, 

when I setup my own mission with a tomcat at 26k advance waypoint actions set for max range missile engagement I am picking the F-14 up on the RWR at over 50nm 

Pay special attention to the advanced waypoint actions, the loadout, the aircrafts altitude ( higher for longer range engagements ) and you should see what you are looking for, but the main point here is that the AI wont always use the radar until they need to. 

Exactly. This seems to be a "thing" with the AI logic in SP sometimes but it is surely not a bug and the observed behavior is not a regular occurrence. Also, in PvP this problem does not exist when fighting against human players as far as my observation goes. So I can safely confirm the ALR has certainly no degraded performance as I can normally pick up Nails from F-14s which are still 150nm+ away from me.