AWACS/GCI Declare option in Comms

[Tango3B]

Dear Aerges team, since we have no IFF interogator in the F1CE, I would kindly ask you to provide us with the "Declare" option in the AWACS/GCI Comms menu. That would be tremendously helpful in SP/MP and it shouldn´t be too difficult to add that menu item, right? If it is unclear what "Declare" does, that would be the 3rd party EID way of interrogation via AWACS or GCI. We need that...like really!

[Get_Lo]

This would be absolutely wonderful, necessary even. especially in the near future with Super 530Fs that will be able to be shot outside of VID range.

[riojax]

+1
The F/A-18 have it implemented, but only when you lock it (also TWS) It will great to have it also for visual without lock.

[Tango3B]

12 hours ago, riojax said:

+1
The F/A-18 have it implemented, but only when you lock it (also TWS) It will great to have it also for visual without lock.

Exactly, you need to lock or bug your target before this very menu item is available in the Comms menu. I think, this is also how it works in the F-16 which is kind of logical because otherwise there wouldn´t be something to interrogate for the 3rd party source, right? Anyway, we really need this...

Edited July 25, 2022 by Tango3B

[felixx75]

I actually like this idea too, but I wonder how it will work? Since the Mirage doesn't have a data link, it can't tell the AWACS what the target is. If there is only one enemy aircraft, it is not an issue, but what if there are several?

[rep3t3]

+1 this is pretty much required because it has no IFF and would need to be used in coordination with GCI

[Tango3B]

On 7/29/2022 at 2:21 PM, felixx75 said:

I actually like this idea too, but I wonder how it will work? Since the Mirage doesn't have a data link, it can't tell the AWACS what the target is. If there is only one enemy aircraft, it is not an issue, but what if there are several?

Felixx75 you do not need datalink or any fancy stuff like that for this very feature to work. It actually just works like this: you lock a contact on your radar and thereby you STT the contact. Then you open your Comms menu and go to the AWACS/GCI menu item. There you would see an option called "Declare" which is only available if you have a locked contact present and then the AWACS/GCI "magically" interogates this contact for you (3rd party EID) and either declares it hostile or friendly. No fancy stuff involved. And it only works with that contact in STT lock. If you want to "Declare" another contatct you would have to STT this contact, too. Also, it is game related and not an actual part or an avionics funtion of the F1. Also, this is already available as a menu item in the Comms menu of the F/A-18 or the F-16 so we should theoretically be able to see this in our F1, too. Hope that clarifies, what that function does.

Edited July 31, 2022 by Tango3B

[MAXsenna]

2 minutes ago, Tango3B said:

Felixx75 you do not need datalink or any fancy stuff like that for this very feature to work. It actually just works like this: you lock a contact on your radar and thereby you STT the contact. Then you open your Comms menu and go to the AWACS/GCI menu item. There you would see an option called "Declare" which is only available if you have a locked contact present and then the AWACS/GCI "magically" interogates this contact for you (3rd party EID) and either declares it hostile or friendly. No fancy stuff involved. Also, it is game related and not an actual part or an avionics funtion of the F1. Also, this is already available as a menu item in the Comms menu of the F/A-18 or the F-16 so we should theoretically be able to see this in our F1, too. Hope that clarifies, what that function does.

If I ever can find one and lock one I'll test with VAICOM to see if it works. I think it does in the F-5.

[Tango3B]

2 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

If I ever can find one and lock one I'll test with VAICOM to see if it works. I think it does in the F-5.

You don´t need to test it. It isn´t available in the F1 just yet, so...this is the whole point of this thread. Aerges still needs to implement it.

[MAXsenna]

1 hour ago, Tango3B said:

You don´t need to test it. It isn´t available in the F1 just yet, so...this is the whole point of this thread. Aerges still needs to implement it.

Well, I did anyway. Sometimes things work in VAICOM when you don't expect it. But alas, I get no reply. So yeah, I guess Aerges has to implement it.
But it was fruitful for me. I managed to edit a mission, and lock a couple of aircraft with the radar.

Cheers!

Edited July 31, 2022 by MAXsenna
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[felixx75]

7 hours ago, Tango3B said:

Felixx75 you do not need datalink or any fancy stuff like that for this very feature to work. It actually just works like this: you lock a contact on your radar and thereby you STT the contact. Then you open your Comms menu and go to the AWACS/GCI menu item. There you would see an option called "Declare" which is only available if you have a locked contact present and then the AWACS/GCI "magically" interogates this contact for you (3rd party EID) and either declares it hostile or friendly. No fancy stuff involved. And it only works with that contact in STT lock. If you want to "Declare" another contatct you would have to STT this contact, too. Also, it is game related and not an actual part or an avionics funtion of the F1. Also, this is already available as a menu item in the Comms menu of the F/A-18 or the F-16 so we should theoretically be able to see this in our F1, too. Hope that clarifies, what that function does.

 

I know, what it does and how it works in DCS. But I don't like it, if it's pure "fantasy". If there is something (at least) similar in reality, fine. If not, there should not be any magical link to the AWACS/GCI to idetify a possible enemy for me.

[MysteriousHonza]

1 hour ago, felixx75 said:

I know, what it does and how it works in DCS. But I don't like it, if it's pure "fantasy". If there is something (at least) similar in reality, fine. If not, there should not be any magical link to the AWACS/GCI to idetify a possible enemy for me.

Its not fantasy, pilots would tell the awacs crew at what heading that stt target is and if possible how high, then awacs crew would declare.

[Get_Lo]

its literally the whole point of an AWACs, what good is an AWACs that cant tell you if theres something (especially a friendly) off your nose

[Tango3B]

13 hours ago, Get_Lo said:

its literally the whole point of an AWACs, what good is an AWACs that cant tell you if theres something (especially a friendly) off your nose

Exactly.

13 hours ago, MysteriousHonza said:

Its not fantasy, pilots would tell the awacs crew at what heading that stt target is and if possible how high, then awacs crew would declare.

You would make a call in relation to your bullseye so that there is absolute certainity which contact the AWACS should declare for you.

14 hours ago, felixx75 said:

I know, what it does and how it works in DCS. But I don't like it, if it's pure "fantasy". If there is something (at least) similar in reality, fine. If not, there should not be any magical link to the AWACS/GCI to idetify a possible enemy for me.

No, there is absolute zero fanatsy involved in this. And yes, there is something similar to this in reality. Like I said above you would conatct AWACS/GCI and give target postion in relation to your bullseye to have absolute certainity which contact is actually interrogated (declared) by your AWACS. There is actually a very good example for this stuff. F-16 drivers had to do this in the 1991 Gulf War, for example because back then the F-16s did not have an onboard interrogator installed. Just like our F1, right? And forgive me for using the word "magically" in my above reply to you. I should not have...it was apparently misleading.