[ATTN ALL DEVS] F-105D, F & G "THUD" THUNDERCHIEF ENGINEERING & PERFORMANCE DATA DUMP (upd. 2025MAY26)

[SOLIDKREATE]

Yeah we do.

[upyr1]

4 hours ago, Bob_Petuss said:

We really need a map of Vietnam...

 

The Thud would also be great over Germany. 

On 1/1/2024 at 9:31 PM, mkellytx said:

The Association of Wild Weasels and Old Crows are others worth reaching out to. 

SOmeone needs to reach out to them

[upyr1]

1 hour ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

Yeah we do.

A vietnam map will be awesome

[AngelRR92]

Bumping this because Im reading "Thud Ridge" and man... i wish we had an F105 module/mod

[SOLIDKREATE]

6 hours ago, AngelRR92 said:

Bumping this because Im reading "Thud Ridge" and man... i wish we had an F105 module/mod

 

I'd say over half of us here want one. 

On 8/7/2022 at 8:32 PM, Evoman said:

The main question that should be asked is how feasible is it to make a FF Thunderchief. I say that because I have seen some comments in the past that developers have not being able to find all of the required data. If that's the case then those interested need to put their efforts in tracking down the people that do have the required data.

 

About two years late, but there are over 76,000 documents on this aircraft at the Smithstonian. You can order them in hard copy form. I know this because I have done it and spoken with them. The have more than just manuals. They have Wind Tunnel Studies, Blueprints, Testing, you name it. There are no flying examples in the world. If we're getting an F-35A I see zero reason why this plane can come, even if in an FC3 v2.0 format.

Edited January 24 by SOLIDKREATE

[upyr1]

17 hours ago, AngelRR92 said:

Bumping this because Im reading "Thud Ridge" and man... i wish we had an F105 module/mod

I've got a little more personal connection. Prior going to medical school my dad was an EWO and had time on the Thud and EB-66. He trained on the Thud but deployed on a EB-66

11 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

 

I'd say over half of us here want one. 

 

About two years late, but there are over 76,000 documents on this aircraft at the Smithstonian. You can order them in hard copy form. I know this because I have done it and spoken with them. The have more than just manuals. They have Wind Tunnel Studies, Blueprints, Testing, you name it. There are no flying examples in the world. If we're getting an F-35A I see zero reason why this plane can come, even if in an FC3 v2.0 format.

I want the Thud to live again.

Thud.

[cailean_556]

With a "Cold War Germany" map being "soft announced" (shown in videos, publicly acknowledged by Wags in his most recent QnA, but not 'officially announced') the F-105 definitely has one of its "homes" coming to DCS. Hopefully a dev will pick it up, in time.

Edited January 25 by cailean_556

[SOLIDKREATE]

Yeah we were based there too, 36th TFW based at Bitburg in Germany. So, some faux mock mission can be fun to make =o).

[Andrew8604]

On 1/23/2025 at 5:00 PM, AngelRR92 said:

Bumping this because Im reading "Thud Ridge" and man... i wish we had an F105 module/mod

I read that one several years ago and felt the same way!  Another good one is "When Thunder Rolled" by Ed Rasimus.  Ed flew F-105s out of Korat from May to Nov '66.  Jack flew them out of Takhli from Sept '66 to June '67.  We need that Vietnam map, too...even if just high detail terrain around the Thai airbases and then high detail in North Vietnam only, with lower detail in between...it's mostly just trees flown over above 15,000' while hitting the tankers.  The F-105D needs to be a full module, excellently done like the F-4E.

Edited January 26 by Andrew8604
add a point.

[upyr1]

12 hours ago, Andrew8604 said:

I read that one several years ago and felt the same way!  Another good one is "When Thunder Rolled" by Ed Rasimus.  Ed flew F-105s out of Korat from May to Nov '66.  Jack flew them out of Takhli from Sept '66 to June '67.  We need that Vietnam map, too...even if just high detail terrain around the Thai airbases and then high detail in North Vietnam only, with lower detail in between...it's mostly just trees flown over above 15,000' while hitting the tankers.  The F-105D needs to be a full module, excellently done like the F-4E.

Do you think there would be much interest in the G or would that be better off as AI?

[SOLIDKREATE]

9 hours ago, upyr1 said:

Do you think there would be much interest in the G or would that be better off as AI?

 

I think there would be. It ahs a lot of unique features to it. The F-105D and G flew together as a team for 'Wild Weasel' missions. I don't see why they couldn't be developed in tandem. One is the bomber and one is the SEAD planes with special sensors and an air-to-ground missle load out.

Edited January 27 by SOLIDKREATE

[upyr1]

1 hour ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

 

I think there would be. It ahs a lot of unique features to it. The F-105D and G flew together as a team for 'Wild Weasel' missions. I don't see why they couldn't be developed in tandem. One is the bomber and one is the SEAD planes with special sensors and an air-to-ground missle load out.

 I want the G. 

[mkellytx]

On 1/26/2025 at 12:40 PM, upyr1 said:

Do you think there would be much interest in the G or would that be better off as AI?

A WW F should be well within the realm of available data. G might be a stretch, but possible.  Start with an F with STARMS and you get all of Rolling Thunder, finish with a G and you get the Linebackers.

[upyr1]

1 hour ago, mkellytx said:

A WW F should be well within the realm of available data. G might be a stretch, but possible.  Start with an F with STARMS and you get all of Rolling Thunder, finish with a G and you get the Linebackers.

I'd like to see what we can get about either one, before completely eliminating one or the other. Know how DCS normally does the most advanced if we could get the documents for both we would get the G. 

[SOLIDKREATE]

5 hours ago, mkellytx said:

A WW F should be well within the realm of available data. G might be a stretch, but possible.  Start with an F with STARMS and you get all of Rolling Thunder, finish with a G and you get the Linebackers.

 

My wepons manual (T.O. F-105B34-1-1) and it supplements cover the D, F and G from 1971 - 1980. So, yeah well withing the realm. You can even ask @Blaze1. He has one too, and a real one to boot.

[upyr1]

16 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

 

My wepons manual (T.O. F-105B34-1-1) and it supplements cover the D, F and G from 1971 - 1980. So, yeah well withing the realm. You can even ask @Blaze1. He has one too, and a real one to boot.

I don't expect to get all 3 unless we do it as a mod. I can enter LAU values I don't know diddly about 3d modeling, I don't know C++ well enough but I figure if anyone has the know how we could get started on the thud mod

 

[SOLIDKREATE]

On 1/29/2025 at 4:11 PM, upyr1 said:

I don't expect to get all 3 unless we do it as a mod. I can enter LAU values I don't know diddly about 3d modeling, I don't know C++ well enough but I figure if anyone has the know how we could get started on the thud mod

 

 

I'm sure within this entire community we have here we have a wealth of talent. The dertimining factor for us all is real life. We all have 9 to 5's and familys ect. However I did buy a 40 hour long course from Blender Bros. I'm hoping this will get me going enough. The plane I want to make personally is the AT-28 Trojan. It doesn't have a lot of complicated electronics. It was the plane they used to attack the Ho Chi Minh Trail (COIN).

 

Edited February 7 by SOLIDKREATE

[upyr1]

6 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

 

I'm sure within this entire community we have here we have a wealth of talent. The dertimining factor for us all is real life. We all have 9 to 5's and familys ect. However I did buy a 40 hour long course from Blender Bros. I'm hoping this will get me going enough. The plane I want to make personally is the AT-28 Trojan. It doesn't have a lot of complicated electronics. It was the plane they used to attack the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

 

I guess that would be a good place to learn

 

[II.JG1_Vonrd]

On 1/29/2025 at 11:29 PM, SOLIDKREATE said:

I did buy a 40 hour long course from Blender Bros.

Hi @SOLIDKREATE I keep wanting to get serious with Blender but lose concentration after a while. Maybe if I spent some cash on a program I would feel more of a push to stick with it.

Once you have more experience with the course, could you do a review?

[Fitzcarraldo]

I think the F-105 might be the most interesting single-seater aircraft imaginable in the context of DCS: Very analogue, but very complex!
Most other western aircraft that are similar in that regard are two-seaters, which i don't find ideal for the game...

Edited February 6 by Fitzcarraldo

[upyr1]

2 hours ago, Fitzcarraldo said:

I think the F-105 might be the most interesting single-seater aircraft imaginable in the context of DCS: Very analogue, but very complex!
Most other western aircraft that are similar in that regard are two-seaters, which i don't find ideal for the game...

then the G would be interesting too. I know if I were to do the F or G I would licence Jester from HB

[Fitzcarraldo]

1 hour ago, upyr1 said:

then the G would be interesting too. I know if I were to do the F or G I would licence Jester from HB

For me only the D would be interesting. HB Jester is decent, but doesn't really cut it for me. Maybe in the future we can get fully dynamic LLM powered WSO/RIO. That might change my opinion about 105F/G...

[Tengah]

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Most other western aircraft that are similar in that regard are two-seaters, which i don't find ideal for the game...

Have you flown any of the available two seat aircraft with a human component in the back seat?  If not, then your statement is moot, and you really should give it a go.  If you have and your experience was poor, then you need to work with your backseater more.

[SOLIDKREATE]

10 hours ago, II.JG1_Vonrd said:

Hi @SOLIDKREATE I keep wanting to get serious with Blender but lose concentration after a while. Maybe if I spent some cash on a program I would feel more of a push to stick with it.

Once you have more experience with the course, could you do a review?

 

Certainly, so far it is very well done and easy to follow.

[SOLIDKREATE]

6 hours ago, Fitzcarraldo said:

For me only the D would be interesting. HB Jester is decent, but doesn't really cut it for me. Maybe in the future we can get fully dynamic LLM powered WSO/RIO. That might change my opinion about 105F/G...

I agree with statement. I think if you asked, there are some folks on here who are dedicated back seaters. I'm willing to bet you'll change your mind.

Heatblur should just license their RIO to Third Party DEV's or sell it to DCS for a "nominal fee" . This way it beomes the Standard and they get a cut of any module the other team sells.