Designate Targets for DataLink

[Suvv]

Before I ask my question I'd like to say "what an awesome game", well done devs.

 

Question, for the wise ones that frequent this forum ...

 

I have been using the designate target procedure and transferring targets to my wingman. The basic procedure is to first record the targets in your ABRIS and then select each target on your ABRIS and transfer the information via the DataLink to your wingman.

 

All this works except that after storing the targets in your own ABRIS you have to press "Reset Targeting" before sending to your wingman works. This seems odd as firstly is switches off the ShkVal when you really need it as you are in a combat situation, and secondly the targets are already in the ABRIS so you should, in my view, be able to send them to the wingman.

 

Is this normal, a feature, or a program bug or should I be doing this another way?

 

Thanks,

 

Suvv.

 

PS. Happy New Year.

[DTWD]

I second this as it does seem incredibly un-intuative.

[Bobcat]

Good question; been wondering about that myself as there is no mention is the manual that you have to recage the shkval (or is there?)

[Tango]

Hi,

 

NO resets are required.

 

I do the following and it works every time (props to scif for the enlightenment when I was learning - the way he described the rough method made more sense than resetting the targeting system!).

 

* Lock a target in the Shkval

* Select the target type in the data link

* Press STORE

* Select the wingman to send the target to

* Press SEND

 

On the ABRIS, you will now have a diamond with the target ID in it.

 

What I haven't tried yet is locking several targets, designating their types in the data link for each one and storing it. I'm not sure if you can then bulk-send targets?

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[Suvv]

OK, I have it now as you describe. You have to do it a target ( or group ) at a time. For multiple stores and transfers you have to reset.

Edited January 1, 2009 by Suvv

[Chillspider]

well when i did this i couldnt send to a wingman unless i cage the shkval after storing and i noticed this step in the producer notes video on the data link. I love it now though sending ingress points and telling wingman to either attack a specific target or that type of target.

[Suvv]

You do not necessarily have to send him every target. If there is a cluster of tanks for example just mark and send one and then tell him to attack the group. As the targeting marks on the ABRIS are only guides once he picks them up he'll deal with the whole group.

 

Tango's suggested way works well. If you want to store and send multiple targets then you need to use the "reset targeting" method I described in the first post.

[Acedy]

Hi,

 

NO resets are required.

 

I do the following and it works every time (props to scif for the enlightenment when I was learning - the way he described the rough method made more sense than resetting the targeting system!).

 

* Lock a target in the Shkval

* Select the target type in the data link

* Press STORE

* Select the wingman to send the target to

* Press SEND

 

On the ABRIS, you will now have a diamond with the target ID in it.

 

While this works, you have to understand that you are actually doing two different things. 1. Store the location you locked on into your ABRIS. 2. Send the location you locked on to your wingman. What you do not do is to send the location stored in your ABRIS, as you do not have an ABRIS target selected and the Shkval is the source for data link information. In fact if you simply want to send a location that you locked up with the Shkval, you can skip steps 2 and 3, you just do them for yourself to have the target stored in your ABRIS.

 

The reason why you reset the Shkval is to tell the data link that you want to use another source of target information (ABRIS/PVI target points) for sending. And for the same reason you will run into problems when you have both a PVI target point and an ABRIS target selected.

[DTWD]

Is there a way to view the targets on the hud and or get the shkval to turn to the targets in the abris?

 

I have to admit I haven't even touched on reading the abris part of the manual, I am just picking things up as I go...to be honest I am scared to go into that part of the manual :D

[Frederf]

For the most part the ABRIS is the destination for information, not the source. I don't think there is any example where ABRIS-held information ever travels outward to other aircraft systems. Anyone?

 

However when you get DL targets I think you can save those to the PVI-800? Then you could use them as target points for the Shkval? There is a button that can turn the aircraft to face the DL target but I don't think that points the Shkval at it.

 

Also I don't think the HUD is capable of placing any sort of ground-stabalized designations except the Shkval cursor.

[Suvv]

If you have the targets on your ABRIS screen I find the easiest way is to use the Shkval in combination with the ABRIS screen.

 

The Shkval line of view and view position is indicated on the ABRIS screen with a yellow line terminated with a marker something like this | |

 

Use the Shkval slew keys to place the marker on the ABRIS target and by doing so you are positioning the targets on your Shkval.

[DTWD]

If you have the targets on your ABRIS screen I find the easiest way is to use the Shkval in combination with the ABRIS screen.

 

The Shkval line of view and view position is indicated on the ABRIS screen with a yellow line terminated with a marker something like this | |

 

Use the Shkval slew keys to place the marker on the ABRIS target and by doing so you are positioning the targets on your Shkval.

 

 

Thats pretty much how I do it.

 

However it's a bit annoying to have hall all that information and then have to still manually align everything still.

 

Is there a way to clear specific targets (inlcuding recieved ones) in your abris?

[Scif]

i am sure you can clear specific targets on the abris by selecting target type on the datalink panel, cycle through to the one you want and click clear.

 

That should do it.

[Comrade Vodka]

Hi, Can anyone tell me if I can send a wingman to a 'Designated and stored' Ingress point that I produce on my ABRIS in conjunction with using the 'Go To' and 'Data Link Point' radio commands?

[26-J39]

Is there a way to view the targets on the hud and or get the shkval to turn to the targets in the abris?

 

I have to admit I haven't even touched on reading the abris part of the manual, I am just picking things up as I go...to be honest I am scared to go into that part of the manual :D

 

The shkval is able to auto slew to a received DL. When you have the target icon on the ABRIS you simply:

* press the target type on top row of DL panel ( icon should flash in ABRIS)

* Press the ingress button on DL panel (bottom row)

* Press "O" on keyboard to uncage shkval and the shkval will auto slew right onto the DL target.

Combine this with the "Turn to Target" function and Mr Heli will line you with target also.. ;)

[Frederf]

If you have the targets on your ABRIS screen I find the easiest way is to use the Shkval in combination with the ABRIS screen.

The DL Ingress function basically is the DL equivalent of the PVI-800 NAVTGT task such that it can do all the Route/Shkval Uncage Onto Target stuff that you can do with a PVI NAVTGT point.

 

The easiest way to have the Shkval find a DL point for me is to punch up the DL point, turn on the DL Ingress function, and then the Shkval will point to that point automatically when it's uncaged.

 

Also note that the DL points are never stored on the ABRIS technically, the DL system stores the data points. The ABRIS screen is just a passive display. You can prove it to yourself by cycling the ABRIS off and on and your DL memory points are still there.

 

can send a wingman to a 'Designated and stored' Ingress point

You can never send anyone to an ingress point or have anyone target an ingress point. Ingress points are only modifiers to other point types. An ingress point itself can never be a destination or a target location.