Heatblur please give us an JA-37 Viggen

[isglas]

As the title reads I will bring up this topic again, can we please have an JA-37 I would do anything for that and many other people would to. 

You got data link, aim-120B, better engine, internal canon, rb-74 on the wing tips, U95 jamming pod and more

 

pleas surprise us with an JA-37

 

[near_blind]

Do you want to get disappeared by the GeSAABpo? This is how you get disappeared by the GeSAABpo. The secret of the datalink must be maintained!

[isglas]

2 hours ago, near_blind said:

GeSAABpo

Sorry what do you mean with this?

[near_blind]

20 minutes ago, isglas said:

Sorry what do you mean with this?

Nothing but a lame pun. SAAB makes the Viggen, Gestapo were secret police of Nazi Germany.

Gestapo + SAAB = GeSAABpo

 

The accepted reason we're probably not going to see a JA-37, especially a late one, is that certain parts of it's  systems were iterated upon to form the basis of the Grippens systems, and are still considered Swedish state secrets.

Maybe we'll get an AI one someday.

 

 

Edited August 16, 2022 by near_blind

[isglas]

29 minutes ago, near_blind said:

Nothing but a lame pun. SAAB makes the Viggen, Gestapo were secret police of Nazi Germany.

Gestapo + SAAB = GeSAABpo

 

The accepted reason we're probably not going to see a JA-37, especially a late one, is that certain parts of it's  systems were iterated upon to form the basis of the Grippens systems, and are still considered Swedish state secrets.

Maybe we'll get an AI one someday.

 

 

 

I’ll still cross my fingers and hope we get one one day:)

[Knock-Knock]

I would be over the moon for 'just' the early version, with RB71 <- Skyflash <- AIM-7E missiles.

[Otulf]

Hello!

Can not but agree with "Knock-Knock" and the others!

I would really have liked to see an early JA 37 with RB71, RB74 and the internal Oerlikon Cannon.

And also arak in the secondary attack role ...

 

Best regards:

Otulf

 

Edited September 19, 2024 by Otulf
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[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

I read else where, and if my understanding was correct, even the Eurofight Typhoon under development does not have full 100% functionality cause parts of this plane is still classified. So I don't mind having a JA-37 sans datalink. Just let me BFM in this baby, please.

[Naquaii]

Problem is that it isn't just as easy as creating it without the datalink. The whole manual is still classified, regardless of the reason for it afaik.

Edited August 16, 2022 by Naquaii

[TLTeo]

Yea the issue isn't that the datalink is classified and therefore it can't be implemented (datalinks are super simplified in DCS anyway). It's that the datalink is classified for whatever reason (and other things on top of it?) and the document that details it also contains information on other systems.

Edited August 16, 2022 by TLTeo

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Oh, shame.

[isglas]

I’ll still pray for a ja-37

[Horns]

19 hours ago, Naquaii said:

Problem is that it isn't just as easy as creating it without the datalink. The whole manual is still classified, regardless of the reason for it afaik.

 

I believe I remember someone saying several years ago that the avionics were very different in the JA to our AJS, so even if the manual was declassified and made available to you, aside from the flight model it would require almost as much work as a new module. Is that accurate to your knowledge?

[bies]

I would like a fighter variant JA-37. But original Cold War one, with Skyflash missiles, stronger engine, internal extremely powerfull gun firing GAU-8 Avenger cardridge in times when gun was still usefull etc. Perfect for Red Storm Rising scenarios against the Soviets over Kola Peninsula map. Not modern AMRAAM truck, with classified avionics JA-35D Viggen.

Edited January 22 by bies

[renhanxue]

Has anyone actually requested declassification of any version of the JA 37 flight manual? Part 4 (flight performance charts) was declassified all the way back in 2012. Things don't get automatically released as declassified in Sweden, someone has to request it and then it gets reviewed, and the review process can involve redacting parts of the requested material. I've gone through this process many times myself. The declassification process is much easier if the documents in question are older than 40 years (to simplify a lot, younger than 40 years = may declassify, older than 40 years = shall declassify, with some exceptions), and the first publication of the JA 37 flight manual should have passed that limit only last year or maybe even this year (probably a 1980 or 1981 publish date). I wouldn't be surprised if most if not all of it would be pretty easy to get declassified today. Later updates to the manual are almost certainly a lot more problematic, especially when you start getting to really late versions like the JA 37D and Di which could carry AIM-120, but early editions I wouldn't expect to contain much if any sensitive information today.

Either way though, as was mentioned above, the JA 37 avionics actually have very significant differences from the AJ 37, and the flight performance is quite different too (different engine, longer fuselage, different FCS) so for most intents and purposes it'd be like implementing a completely new module.

Edited August 17, 2022 by renhanxue

[Naquaii]

5 hours ago, Horns said:

I believe I remember someone saying several years ago that the avionics were very different in the JA to our AJS, so even if the manual was declassified and made available to you, aside from the flight model it would require almost as much work as a new module. Is that accurate to your knowledge?

Yes, even when/if the manuals get declassified enough and someone decided to model it it's still a very different beast. There would ofc be similarities in the flight model but you'd basically have to regard it as a completely new aircraft. It wouldn't be a DLC for the current Viggen for sure.

[Knock-Knock]

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

1 hour ago, Naquaii said:

Yes, even when/if the manuals get declassified enough and someone decided to model it it's still a very different beast. There would ofc be similarities in the flight model but you'd basically have to regard it as a completely new aircraft. It wouldn't be a DLC for the current Viggen for sure.

Me, for one, don't mind paying for another Viggen. In the same vein, if anyone who can deliver as-close-as-possible F-14D, I am paying too.

[Tavo89]

I recently tested the AJS37 and liked it very much and am considering buying it. 
If they make the JA37 or the Draken I would buy them without any hesitation. 

You also have to take into account the amount of work they have pending at Heatblur, with the modules under development. We will see what happens in the future.

[MrViggo]

Can this help? I know this thread probably hasnt been active for like 2 years.

https://www.avialogs.com/aircraft-s/saab/item/31657-m7780-406291-sfi-fpl-jad37d-forsvarets-materielverk

[renhanxue]

On 9/7/2024 at 11:30 AM, MrViggo said:

Can this help? I know this thread probably hasnt been active for like 2 years.

https://www.avialogs.com/aircraft-s/saab/item/31657-m7780-406291-sfi-fpl-jad37d-forsvarets-materielverk

This is the unclassified part of the flight manual for the JA 37D. I haven't checked it thoroughly but I'd expect it to have mostly the same contents as the English translation of the equivalent flight manual part for the JA 37C, which is available in the documentation thread: