Can not set stick center position with magtrim disabled but can use center trim cheat

[FalcoGer]

When disabling the "Trim" function in the A/C utility page under the FMC section, the trim button doesn't work anymore to set the stick center position even with the "Central position trimmer mode". The issue with that is that the real apache stick is held in position when the trimmer button is pressed while that is not the case with the strick I have here, springs still inside.
On top of that the center trim cheat command still works to reset the stick to center, but you can't trim it anywhere else unless you re-enable the trimmer in the helicopter.

So which one is it? Can you put the stick in a new center position or can you not?

fmc_trim_nonsense.trk

Edited September 1, 2022 by FalcoGer

[M1Combat]

I'm not quite sure what the problem is.  I think you may have skipped a word right before that , so I'm not 100% sure I know what you're saying here, BUT...

Without doing anything at all to the trimmer system aside from pressing trim, moving the stick, and then releasing trim...  my trim system works fine in central pos trim mode.

If you're disabling anything related to trim I'm suspecting it's working (or not working since it's disabled...) as designed?

 

Again...  I reserve the right to be mis-understanding you here :).

One more thing...  central pos trim mode (and the other settings in that dropdown) are set specifically to make the trim system work with the stick type you have...  

Central pos trim mode set the system so that after you release trim the stick won't have any affect until you center it physically, then it "grabs" the in game stick again.  It's used for centering sticks.  The other settings are used for sticks without springs and sticks with FFB.

[Floyd1212]

I think you will need to do a better job of describing your issue, as what you have said does not make much sense.

With Central Position Trimmer mode:

1. Move your joystick to the desired position and press and release the Force Trim Release (Up) to "trim" the controls to that position
2. Release your joystick so it re-centers itself. You will notice the helo continues as though you were still holding that position on the cyclic.
3. Make further adjustments to the flight controls with your joystick and press and release the FTR button.
4. Carry on like this as long as you wish.
5. If you want to cancel all trim settings, use the "cheater" command that was added later called Trim Reset.

[M1Combat]

Just as an addon to Floyd's post :)...

 

It's generally better to press the FTR, fly the aircraft, then release the FTR, and in central pos trim mode...  release the stick to center quickly after releasing FTR.  Just like in the Shark.

 

Subtle difference being that you "hold" trim instead of "press and release" trim.

Edited September 1, 2022 by M1Combat

[Swift.]

4 hours ago, M1Combat said:

Just as an addon to Floyd's post :)...

 

It's generally better to press the FTR, fly the aircraft, then release the FTR, and in central pos trim mode...  release the stick to center quickly after releasing FTR.  Just like in the Shark.

 

Subtle difference being that you "hold" trim instead of "press and release" trim.

 

The problem is that if you employ that technique from an already trimmed position, pressing the trim release will 'reset' the original trim position.

[FalcoGer]

Sorry, i had a few words missing there.

What I mean is when you disable the "Trim" option in the FMC section of the A/C utility page, trim doesn't recenter the stick anymore.

Since there is a disconnect between the real apache stick and our hardware, that's an issue. If it's not an issue it's at least inconsistent with the behavior of the center trim cheat.

[kgillers3]

1 hour ago, FalcoGer said:

Sorry, i had a few words missing there.

What I mean is when you disable the "Trim" option in the FMC section of the A/C utility page, trim doesn't recenter the stick anymore.

Since there is a disconnect between the real apache stick and our hardware, that's an issue. If it's not an issue it's at least inconsistent with the behavior of the center trim cheat.

Granted the difference between a users hardware and dcs is a valid point, what I can say is if you disable trim in the ac util page the force trim is no longer enabled in the aircraft and if you let go of the cyclic it will physically fall over. So by disabling force trim the stick will no longer recenter because it has no spring tension to bring it back, how that plays out between hardware of a user with a joystick with springs and how dcs represents it that’s up for debate I guess. 
 

In other words, the spring tension comes from force trim, and every time you retrim it, that is the new center position for the spring tension. With it turned off, there is no spring tension for the pedals or cyclic. 

Edited September 1, 2022 by kgillers3

[M1Combat]

8 hours ago, Swift. said:

The problem is that if you employ that technique from an already trimmed position, pressing the trim release will 'reset' the original trim position.

Mine doesnt do that.