Ddg1500 Posted September 3, 2022 Posted September 3, 2022 Just found out recently that f14's control senstivity would differ according to the different air speed, the faster the plane flies, the more senstitive the control would be and vice versa, which clearly reflect the high fedility of the FM, and i also found out f14 is much less sensitive and easier to refuel at low speed like 180knots or below with tanker like kc130, but however, if refeuling with a tanker like kc135 at 280 knots( or 0.7 mach), then the jet is literally unrefuelable because of the horribly sensitive control (personally) cause by the faster air flow which generate more steer force, which make accurate control almost imopssible(i'm using a virpil hotas with no curves), i realized this by repeatedly trying to refuel in kc135 and always fail, so far i i've never made any contact with kc135, but with kc130 at low speed, it suddenly turns possible, so air speed is denfinitely a factor in air to air refueling. the slower the tanker is, the more refuelable the f14 is.
bones1014 Posted September 3, 2022 Posted September 3, 2022 Do you have any curves set up? I don't have any problem with refueling at different speeds in the 14.
Despayre Posted September 3, 2022 Posted September 3, 2022 6 hours ago, Ddg1500 said: ... (i'm using a virpil hotas with no curves) ... 6 hours ago, bones1014 said: Do you have any curves set up? ... I'm guessing no, he doesn't. 1 I'm not updating this anymore. It's safe to assume I have all the stuff, and the stuff for the stuff too.
bones1014 Posted September 3, 2022 Posted September 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Despayre said: I'm guessing no, he doesn't. I lose interest quick if it's a block of text with no paragraph spacing. 2
Flash_111 Posted September 3, 2022 Posted September 3, 2022 There is an aerodynamic ace up your sleeve as well- you can increase stability at higher speeds by sweeping the wings back. VF-111 SUNDOWNERS VF-111 Discord
captain_dalan Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 On 9/3/2022 at 4:19 PM, Ddg1500 said: Just found out recently that f14's control senstivity would differ according to the different air speed, the faster the plane flies, the more senstitive the control would be and vice versa, which clearly reflect the high fedility of the FM, and i also found out f14 is much less sensitive and easier to refuel at low speed like 180knots or below with tanker like kc130, but however, if refeuling with a tanker like kc135 at 280 knots( or 0.7 mach), then the jet is literally unrefuelable because of the horribly sensitive control (personally) cause by the faster air flow which generate more steer force, which make accurate control almost imopssible(i'm using a virpil hotas with no curves), i realized this by repeatedly trying to refuel in kc135 and always fail, so far i i've never made any contact with kc135, but with kc130 at low speed, it suddenly turns possible, so air speed is denfinitely a factor in air to air refueling. the slower the tanker is, the more refuelable the f14 is. I don't use any curves as well and i much more primitive and less precise stick. It's still doable, just takes practice. Don't go directly for the 135. Perfect your skill in the 130 first, until you can refuel without a single disconnect. Then go to the S-3B. Repeat as the above. Only then try the dreaded 135. Some find it easier, due its large size (easer to keep an eye on it, especially formation pointers) and long hose (more leeway when connecting and disconnecting), but i've always found it the most annoying, due to its wing dihedral (more difficult to judge bank angle) and high speed (i fly the A, so at higher altitudes, it's hard to even keep up with the thing). Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache, F4U Corsair, WWII Assets Pack
WinOrLose Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 NATOPS suggests 240knts at 40' wing sweep as optimal. I actually find the S-3 the most "difficult" in the B as the engines are so powerful you can get too close really quickly even with moderating the throttles. I still maintain the key is to get trimmed out in the observation position and when moving into final position concentrate on the pod not the drouge. 1
captain_dalan Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, WinOrLose said: I still maintain the key is to get trimmed out in the observation position and when moving into final position concentrate on the pod not the drouge. Very much so in my book as well, with an added element of adjusting trim as the fuel quantity changes during the refuel process. Otherwise the risk of slipping out due to drop of altitude increases. Lack of tactile feedback amplifies it, so one has to keep an aye for visual cues. 4 hours ago, WinOrLose said: I actually find the S-3 the most "difficult" in the B as the engines are so powerful you can get too close really quickly even with moderating the throttles. Many find this to be so, but not me, i find it very easy (possibly due to the way a approach it) and is in fact my go-to tanker given the chance! Edited September 8, 2022 by captain_dalan 1 Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache, F4U Corsair, WWII Assets Pack
Whistler_RIO Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 When youre dealing with an aircraft thats too slow, and youre in the powerful B-model, just know that alot of other fighters use air-brake (maybe not fully open, but slightly, for drag) while refueling to dirty up and get more range in your throttle response. its allowable 3
captain_dalan Posted September 10, 2022 Posted September 10, 2022 As i changed my throttle power curves a couple of weeks back, i needed to relearn everything precision related (CASE I's, formation, AAR...) from the start. I left the KC-135 in the instant action for last. Took a while, but i kinda got it by the end. Still room from improvement. Refueling at 350 gives you very little throttle travel to work with, even less when you on purpose reduce it! Last night: Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache, F4U Corsair, WWII Assets Pack
draconus Posted September 12, 2022 Posted September 12, 2022 On 9/8/2022 at 12:41 PM, WinOrLose said: NATOPS suggests 240knts at 40' wing sweep as optimal. This. The missions are wrong. Slight deviations are fine but 180 or 350KIAS are both unrealistic. Having said that Tomcat is totally controllable - no problem with AAR from KC-135 at 350 even with wings on Auto. 1 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
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