Hiob Posted October 1, 2022 Posted October 1, 2022 (edited) deleted Edited October 1, 2022 by Hiob "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?"
Hiob Posted October 1, 2022 Posted October 1, 2022 30 minutes ago, admiki said: DCS is already binding intensive, but this would also be a nice option. With toggle, only way to know what mode you are in, is to look at AP spindle to decipher. Yeah, it would take the guesswork out of it. Tbh I would even include the third binding option „on while depressed“, (like now) which is probably nearest to the real functionality. It‘s true that DCS is binding intensive, but once you figured out the principle, it’s not that difficult and all is optional. I have barely bound 10% of the available options (hurray for clickable cockpit!), mostly hotas stuff. But some options are simply f##king useful! 1 "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?"
admiki Posted October 1, 2022 Posted October 1, 2022 One option I could do is to set my MFG pedals at such angle that just putting my feet on would activate microswitches. 1
MAXsenna Posted October 1, 2022 Posted October 1, 2022 One option I could do is to set my MFG pedals at such angle that just putting my feet on would activate microswitches.I agree that this would be (the best)/an awesome option! Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk
Hiob Posted October 1, 2022 Posted October 1, 2022 32 minutes ago, MAXsenna said: I agree that this would be (the best)/an awesome option! Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk Not when you don't fly the Hind exclusively. I don't need the brakes in the hind but in pretty much any other module. And adjusting the angle of the footrests is more cumbersome than releasing the spring unfortunately. But that gave me an idea. One could use an old input device of some kind and add real microswitches to the pedals... Hurray for modding! "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?"
MAXsenna Posted October 1, 2022 Posted October 1, 2022 Not when you don't fly the Hind exclusively. I don't need the brakes in the hind but in pretty much any other module. And adjusting the angle of the footrests is more cumbersome than releasing the spring unfortunately. But that gave me an idea. One could use an old input device of some kind and add real microswitches to the pedals... Hurray for modding! True, if you need to change the angle. I Don't need to on my Slaws. It should be just another option of course. Yeah, recycling old stuff is a great idea. To be honest, I'm thinking of making two "force sensing pads" of some sorts. Then I can easily rest my feet. Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk
AeriaGloria Posted October 1, 2022 Posted October 1, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, admiki said: DCS is already binding intensive, but this would also be a nice option. With toggle, only way to know what mode you are in, is to look at AP spindle to decipher. This won't help either. If you are doing balanced turn, you move pedals and then just hold them in place, turn will take at least few seconds more. When I am doing repeated attacks with human CPG, I keep my bank under 30 deg, so CPG can keep his sight open. This saves us time, but turn itself can take up to 20 seconds. Problem ED is facing here is that there is a myriad of hardware options players have, it's hard to account for all of them And it’s clear that having automatic off for microswitches and pressing Y key is quite the minority option. Since the new Yaw SAS auto trim is so much faster then it is Mi-8, I feel like the most popular option is to keep Yaw channel off. Hopefully when manual comes out they throughly describe it and it becomes more popular By MFG pedals, you meant adjust the angle of the pedals so that they are more vertical, so that when you put your feet on it’s most comfortable to push them slightly. And have an axis that when pushed a certain point presses the “Y” microswitches key? Edited October 1, 2022 by AeriaGloria 1 Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
admiki Posted October 1, 2022 Posted October 1, 2022 (edited) 57 minutes ago, AeriaGloria said: By MFG pedals, you meant adjust the angle of the pedals so that they are more vertical, so that when you put your feet on it’s most comfortable to push them slightly. And have an axis that when pushed a certain point presses the “Y” microswitches key? Exactly that. Need to work out whether to leave spring and at what setting and keep pressure against it, or to wedge something to stop push at most comfortable position Edited October 1, 2022 by admiki 1
bingbean Posted October 2, 2022 Posted October 2, 2022 On 10/1/2022 at 9:37 AM, Hiob said: Or even better, give us two bindings. One for „on“ and one for „off“. That would give us every option. I accidentally found this topic and start thinking about whether it can be useful in this case as well. And it seems it can. I opened the default.lua file in D:\DCS World\Mods\aircraft\Mi-24P\Input\Mi_24P_pilot\keyboard and found the line {combos = {{key = 'Y'}}, down = autopilot_commands.RudderSignal, up = autopilot_commands.RudderSignal, cockpit_device_id = devices.AUTOPILOT, value_down = 1, value_up = 0, name = _('Autopilot Yaw Channel Rudder Align, button - ON/OFF'),category = {_('Ins Rudder'), _('Flight Control')}}, then i backup the originall line by add -- at the begining and mede a two new lines where i delete the "up" comands and value. Set up for pressed Y key value_down=1, for Y+LShift value_down=0 and it works. --{combos = {{key = 'Y'}}, down = autopilot_commands.RudderSignal, up = autopilot_commands.RudderSignal, cockpit_device_id = devices.AUTOPILOT, value_down = 1, value_up = 0, name = _('Autopilot Yaw Channel Rudder Align, button - ON/OFF'),category = {_('Ins Rudder'), _('Flight Control')}}, {combos = {{key = 'Y'}}, down = autopilot_commands.RudderSignal, cockpit_device_id = devices.AUTOPILOT, value_down = 1, name = _('Autopilot Yaw Channel Rudder Align, button - ON/OFF'),category = {_('Ins Rudder'), _('Flight Control')}}, {combos = {{key = 'Y', reformers = {'LShift'}}}, down = autopilot_commands.RudderSignal, cockpit_device_id = devices.AUTOPILOT, value_down = 0, name = _('Autopilot Yaw Channel Rudder Align, button - ON/OFF'),category = {_('Ins Rudder'), _('Flight Control')}}, What is interesting it doesn't affect rudder trim function if it set up for Y key in special option, what is actually good for me. 1
AeriaGloria Posted October 3, 2022 Posted October 3, 2022 14 hours ago, bingbean said: I accidentally found this topic and start thinking about whether it can be useful in this case as well. And it seems it can. I opened the default.lua file in D:\DCS World\Mods\aircraft\Mi-24P\Input\Mi_24P_pilot\keyboard and found the line {combos = {{key = 'Y'}}, down = autopilot_commands.RudderSignal, up = autopilot_commands.RudderSignal, cockpit_device_id = devices.AUTOPILOT, value_down = 1, value_up = 0, name = _('Autopilot Yaw Channel Rudder Align, button - ON/OFF'),category = {_('Ins Rudder'), _('Flight Control')}}, then i backup the originall line by add -- at the begining and mede a two new lines where i delete the "up" comands and value. Set up for pressed Y key value_down=1, for Y+LShift value_down=0 and it works. --{combos = {{key = 'Y'}}, down = autopilot_commands.RudderSignal, up = autopilot_commands.RudderSignal, cockpit_device_id = devices.AUTOPILOT, value_down = 1, value_up = 0, name = _('Autopilot Yaw Channel Rudder Align, button - ON/OFF'),category = {_('Ins Rudder'), _('Flight Control')}}, {combos = {{key = 'Y'}}, down = autopilot_commands.RudderSignal, cockpit_device_id = devices.AUTOPILOT, value_down = 1, name = _('Autopilot Yaw Channel Rudder Align, button - ON/OFF'),category = {_('Ins Rudder'), _('Flight Control')}}, {combos = {{key = 'Y', reformers = {'LShift'}}}, down = autopilot_commands.RudderSignal, cockpit_device_id = devices.AUTOPILOT, value_down = 0, name = _('Autopilot Yaw Channel Rudder Align, button - ON/OFF'),category = {_('Ins Rudder'), _('Flight Control')}}, What is interesting it doesn't affect rudder trim function if it set up for Y key in special option, what is actually good for me. THIS IS AMAZING! Could you possibly share the file or post it as a mod? I feel like this is something that if ED added officially it would help alot of people figure out the system, without having to realize the button only works when pressed down. Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
II.JG1_Vonrd Posted October 3, 2022 Posted October 3, 2022 On 9/30/2022 at 12:35 PM, bingbean said: For example : AP move logical axis 30% to the left. My physical axis is still in the center 0% position. Now i come in to situation when i need 80% rudder input to the right. However even if i press my physical axis 100% to the right, the logical in game axis get only 70%, because i was spend already 30% of physical axis to move the logical axis to the center. Yes, this is the issue that I'm having. I have the spring disconnected from my Crosswinds (hydraulic dampener installed). At this point, I'd prefer to have no interaction from the autopilot at all rather that what it's doing now. Flipping the heading autopilot on / off doesn't seem to restore the pedal axis to neutral. I'd be willing to re-connect the centering spring to the pedals if necessary. If so, should I then change Microswitch Logic to "Disable by setting pedal axis to neutral". These are my current settings:
AeriaGloria Posted October 3, 2022 Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, II.JG1_Vonrd said: Yes, this is the issue that I'm having. I have the spring disconnected from my Crosswinds (hydraulic dampener installed). At this point, I'd prefer to have no interaction from the autopilot at all rather that what it's doing now. Flipping the heading autopilot on / off doesn't seem to restore the pedal axis to neutral. I'd be willing to re-connect the centering spring to the pedals if necessary. If so, should I then change Microswitch Logic to "Disable by setting pedal axis to neutral". These are my current settings: Spring won’t change anything. The only way to reset the axis after pedals are auto trimmed by yaw AP In heading hold would be to press “Reset Trim (Left Control + T).” The setting “sensitivity of button controlled pedals” o Lu controls how fast keyboard buttons bound to “Left pedal” or “right pedal” move the pedals. By default this is X for left pedal and Y for left pedal, all the way one way means pedals move slowly with those buttons or quickly. It does not have anything to do with autopilot or MicroSwitch Having Pedal microswitches bound to a momentary switch does not help you at all, because it only works when being held down. You showed you have it bound to an “On/Off” switch on your throttle but there is another issue with that, if you don’t have the “HOTAS sync” option selected then the “On/Off” switch won’t be registered until it flips to “On” during the flight. I haven’t tested but it’s also possible that the MicroSwitch isn’t registered as pressed until after Yaw channel is already on, I will find out. If you set your option to “disable by return pedal axis to neutral” it will be same as Mi-8 in DCS, microswitches will be pressed only when pedals are far from center; which will not work for left turns as pedals are often centered for left turns. You still can use MicroSwitch bind but the pedal position will constantly mess with it. To have complete control over it I have my special option for MicroSwitch logic to “automatic off” as that defaults to Yaw AP in heading hold mode but gives you full manual control of microswitch button. I have pedal microswitches bound to a switch on my throttle also, but before I take off I HAVE TO flip it back and forth from off to on to make sure that the game actually registers “pedal microswitches” as pressed. There are also ways to figure out if Yaw AP is in heading hold or dampening mode once you turn on Yaw channel, you can read my guide to find out. If you don’t want to bother with any of that you Might want to keep it off. But I enjoy using it as it’s part of the real aircraft systems and meant to help the pilot. In reality pilots turn on Yaw channel before take off and leave it there. For me I just turn on yaw channel is on, make sure microswitches pressed, and I leave it there tue entire flight with no issues. I only need to mess with it if I want to use heading hold instead of dampening mode, and for that I only need to flip my switch bound to microswitches Edited October 3, 2022 by AeriaGloria Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Otaroko Posted October 3, 2022 Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) Im having a huge issue where switching off the microswitch "Y" while rudder pedals are moved and YAW AP ON is essentially locking in that input. I cant cycle YAW AP to fix it. I cant cycle the "Y" microswitch setting to fix it. If i do this, then im having to input opposite rudder input to make the ingame rudder pedals return to neutral. Ive tried switching off the DAMPER to no avail as well. Quick test flight track to show what I mean. Also: Stick Trimmer Mode: Joy w/o Springs Pedals Trimmer Mode: Instant Trim Pedals Microswitch Logic: Auto OFF Pedals Trimmer Button: DO NOT TRIM Sensitivity of Button Controlled Pedal: 10 (Not sure what this setting adjusts anyway) Edit: Also no, Rudder Trim is not double bound, in-game Controls display SHOWS my physical rudder axis as being centered MI24RudderIssue.trk Edited October 3, 2022 by Otaroko Rudder double bind exclusion
Otaroko Posted October 3, 2022 Posted October 3, 2022 Another track where I reproduced the issue: YAW AP is super nice to have on, and I havent tried flying the Hind by leaving the YAW AP Channel off before take-off but maybe thats what I'll have to start doing. Shame. MI24SecondRudderIssue.trk
II.JG1_Vonrd Posted October 3, 2022 Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, AeriaGloria said: you can read my guide Thanks for all of the advice @AeriaGloria. I'm pretty sure I've seen your guide but forget where to find it. Can you provide a link please?
AeriaGloria Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 56 minutes ago, II.JG1_Vonrd said: Thanks for all of the advice @AeriaGloria. I'm pretty sure I've seen your guide but forget where to find it. Can you provide a link please? Here along with weapons. I will update it shortly 1 Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
AeriaGloria Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Otaroko said: Im having a huge issue where switching off the microswitch "Y" while rudder pedals are moved and YAW AP ON is essentially locking in that input. I cant cycle YAW AP to fix it. I cant cycle the "Y" microswitch setting to fix it. If i do this, then im having to input opposite rudder input to make the ingame rudder pedals return to neutral. Ive tried switching off the DAMPER to no avail as well. Quick test flight track to show what I mean. Also: Stick Trimmer Mode: Joy w/o Springs Pedals Trimmer Mode: Instant Trim Pedals Microswitch Logic: Auto OFF Pedals Trimmer Button: DO NOT TRIM Sensitivity of Button Controlled Pedal: 10 (Not sure what this setting adjusts anyway) Edit: Also no, Rudder Trim is not double bound, in-game Controls display SHOWS my physical rudder axis as being centered MI24RudderIssue.trk 2.91 MB · 0 downloads I don’t have a chance to watch track yet but are you sure it isn’t yaw AP auto trimming your pedals to fight the turn? So you turn left and it adds right pedal trim the longer you turn? Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Otaroko Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, AeriaGloria said: I don’t have a chance to watch track yet but are you sure it isn’t yaw AP auto trimming your pedals to fight the turn? So you turn left and it adds right pedal trim the longer you turn? I wish that were the case, but the pedals (in-game) are remaining (hydraulically?) “trimmed” 100% one way even when I turn the YAW AP channel OFF
AeriaGloria Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, Otaroko said: I wish that were the case, but the pedals (in-game) are remaining (hydraulically?) “trimmed” 100% one way even when I turn the YAW AP channel OFF If the problem is then being auto trimmed alll the way one direction, you can find out by pressing “Reset trim (Left Control + T),” that will reset the trim on all flight controls Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Otaroko Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, AeriaGloria said: If the problem is then being auto trimmed alll the way one direction, you can find out by pressing “Reset trim (Left Control + T),” that will reset the trim on all flight controls I’ll give this a try then assuming that’s different than the cyclic trim button. But then the question becomes, what is forcing my rudder trim all the way one direction? Is the rudder trim the diamond on the yaw channel of the controls display? (Right Ctrl+Enter) Because the diamond is all the way to the right while the vertical line for input is centered. I’ve noticed that when the diamond is all the way one direction, the input vertical line only reaches about 50% opposite. Rudder keyboard binds and the rudder trim are either unbound or disabled. Strange.
AeriaGloria Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Otaroko said: I’ll give this a try then assuming that’s different than the cyclic trim button. But then the question becomes, what is forcing my rudder trim all the way one direction? Is the rudder trim the diamond on the yaw channel of the controls display? (Right Ctrl+Enter) Because the diamond is all the way to the right while the vertical line for input is centered. I’ve noticed that when the diamond is all the way one direction, the input vertical line only reaches about 50% opposite. Rudder keyboard binds and the rudder trim are either unbound or disabled. Strange. The diamond is current control position. Sorry to say this but I have explained ad nauseam in this thread and many other threads on This forum in the past weeks exactly why pedals are auto trimming with Yaw AP channel on. You can read everything you want to know about it from Section B, Part I and II of my autopilot guide here I have written it so that people don’t have to listen to me spam the same explanations over and over again Your options are to use the MicroSwitch button with Yaw AP or not use Yaw AP. If anything is too confusing or not we’ll explained in my guide please let me know and I will help you better then!!!! Thank you perhaps I will add that having “no rudder trim” selected will not help you, Yaw AP will still auto trim the pedals when reaching its limit becuase that’s how the real system works Edited October 4, 2022 by AeriaGloria Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Otaroko Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 8 hours ago, AeriaGloria said: The diamond is current control position. Sorry to say this but I have explained ad nauseam in this thread and many other threads on This forum in the past weeks exactly why pedals are auto trimming with Yaw AP channel on. You can read everything you want to know about it from Section B, Part I and II of my autopilot guide here I have written it so that people don’t have to listen to me spam the same explanations over and over again Your options are to use the MicroSwitch button with Yaw AP or not use Yaw AP. If anything is too confusing or not we’ll explained in my guide please let me know and I will help you better then!!!! Thank you perhaps I will add that having “no rudder trim” selected will not help you, Yaw AP will still auto trim the pedals when reaching its limit becuase that’s how the real system works At this point, I am turning on the Microswitch to disable heading hold and hitting RESET Trim to rebalance my pedals to neutral. YAW AP channel is trimming the pedals to max even when the Microswitch is engaged and heading hold is off and I’m having to spam RESET Trim just to keep the nose pointed where I want it when trying to land.
admiki Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 31 minutes ago, Otaroko said: At this point, I am turning on the Microswitch to disable heading hold and hitting RESET Trim to rebalance my pedals to neutral. YAW AP channel is trimming the pedals to max even when the Microswitch is engaged and heading hold is off and I’m having to spam RESET Trim just to keep the nose pointed where I want it when trying to land. Are you holding microswitch button or just pressing it?
Otaroko Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 42 minutes ago, admiki said: Are you holding microswitch button or just pressing it? I am holding the microswitch.
admiki Posted October 4, 2022 Posted October 4, 2022 Can you make another track? What you say just doesn't happen to the rest of us
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