researching Radar doesn't see helicopters

[SanekFl]

F-18 radar doesn't see helicopters even when WIDE mode is selected

f-18 radar heli.trk

[BIGNEWY]

Hi,

If the helicopter is at low speed it will be difficult for the radar to detect it. 

 

[Lurker]

1 minute ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi,

If the helicopter is at low speed it will be difficult for the radar to detect it. 

 

Helicopter blades are not moving at low speed relevant to the emitting radar. But they are at an angle, so I guess there is that. 

[BIGNEWY]

if you close the range it is possible to lock once in ACM modes. But if you are using wide mode and at range it will be difficult to get a lock. 

[GGTharos]

23 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi,

If the helicopter is at low speed it will be difficult for the radar to detect it. 

 

This is wrong implementation.  There is solid combat evidence as well as just plain research showing the rotor return is visible for 40-50nm, and this is while sitting on the ground with the rotor spinning.

ED should fix this, or say that they're doing this to protect helis in an MP environment, or that separating the rotor and body return is in the pipeline (or tech-based radar capability to deal with locking into a rotor which would not be a problem for the F-15/16/18 modeled in game) or whatever else they have going on, but just saying that 'the lock would be difficult' is simply not correct for a modern radar. 

Edited October 12, 2022 by GGTharos

[BIGNEWY]

8 minutes ago, GGTharos said:

There is solid combat evidence as well as just plain research showing the rotor return is visible for 40-50nm, and this is while sitting on the ground with the rotor spinning.

Can you PM me that solid combat evidence at the ranges you suggest? 

thanks 

[GGTharos]

Just now, BIGNEWY said:

Can you PM me that solid combat evidence at the ranges you suggest? 

thanks 

Yep, will do in a couple of hours.   I don't know if I can find the research paper again but I'll try to do that as well (although it was for different types of radar, it at least quantifies the return with numbers, which is applicable anywhere)

[Hulkbust44]

FYI adjustable velocity filters are not modeled.

[SanekFl]

6 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi,

If the helicopter is at low speed it will be difficult for the radar to detect it. 

 

Why F-16 doesn't have such problems in the same conditions?

f-16 radar heli.trk

[Hobel]

Same topic with some sources about radar and helicopters