LS-6 100 Laser JDAM and LS-6 250 JSOW

[El Phantasmo]

2 hours ago, AeriaGloria said:

I can’t express enough how fake this is. They happen to be right about bomb placement. Anything that says defence, PAKDEF, or PAF wallpapers is a good sign it’s not official but made by fanboy.

Granted, if center LS-6/GB-6 is accurate, maybe this fake picture actually did some good 

Yeah I wasnt taking the picture as fact but it doesnt seem impossible why you couldnt load those weapons on centerline. 

[Napillo]

9 hours ago, El Phantasmo said:

it doesnt seem impossible why you couldnt load those weapons on centerline. 

I believe he said it was because the mounting holes wouldn't line up, but he would check with SME.

[antiload]

On 10/31/2022 at 8:27 PM, Napillo said:

I don't know, I think it's easy enough to turn on/off the laser as needed. Just push the button on the ufcp. If you're dropping it from within about 5nm, use the laser and leave it, it should reach the target before the laser times out - if you're dropping from max distance, then let it go and hope it hits. It would be nice if you drop from max range and the computer knows when to turn on the laser, but you can just turn it off after it launches, wait about 30 seconds, then turn it on yourself. 

I believe this bomb must be both laser and GPS/INS guided. It doesn't make sense to have a laser guided bomb that can be dropped from 14 NM out from the target, as your jet would have to travel at least half that distance to keep the target lased, or hang around the target till the bomb is in terminal.

 

[Falconeer]

16 hours ago, antiload said:

I believe this bomb must be both laser and GPS/INS guided. It doesn't make sense to have a laser guided bomb that can be dropped from 14 NM out from the target, as your jet would have to travel at least half that distance to keep the target lased, or hang around the target till the bomb is in terminal.

 

It does make sense, since it's the only way to drop a GPS guided bomb on a moving target.

That's why they put the laser guidance on it, to attack moving targets. 

Edited November 4, 2022 by Falconeer

[Dragon1-1]

Also, buddy-lasing. In the beginning, self-lasing wasn't possible at all, it required another aircraft or a designator on the ground. IRL, buddy lasing is the "normal" way of employing LGBs.

Edited November 4, 2022 by Dragon1-1

[Falconeer]

37 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Also, buddy-lasing. In the beginning, self-lasing wasn't possible at all, it required another aircraft or a designator on the ground. IRL, buddy lasing is the "normal" way of employing LGBs.

 

Buddy lasing can be done with normal LGB's, doesn't have to be a laser JDAM for that

[Dragon1-1]

No, but an LJDAM can allow the bomb to glide to a point where it can see the laser, where the buddy can lase the exact target. If you can get the timing right, the buddy can just get in and out, an LJDAM only needs to be lased long enough to update its target coordinates. 

That, and moving targets. The laser also provides a much smaller CEP than satellite guidance, so it helps against point targets.

[Falconeer]

1 hour ago, Dragon1-1 said:

No, but an LJDAM can allow the bomb to glide to a point where it can see the laser, where the buddy can lase the exact target. If you can get the timing right, the buddy can just get in and out

Again this is exactly the same with a regular laser guided bomb, doesn't need to be a LJDAM for that

 

1 hour ago, Dragon1-1 said:

 an LJDAM only needs to be lased long enough to update its target coordinates. 

That's not how a LJDAM works. Laser has nothing to do with updating coordinates

 

1 hour ago, Dragon1-1 said:

The laser also provides a much smaller CEP than satellite guidance, so it helps against point targets.

That's the main advantage of laser guidenance...    accuracy

[Dragon1-1]

4 hours ago, Falconeer said:

That's not how a LJDAM works. Laser has nothing to do with updating coordinates

Of course it does. LJDAM (GBU-54, but LS-6 likely can do that, as well), if it sees the laser at any point of its flight, crossreferences it with GPS and will impact that point even if the laser shuts off, albeit with GPS accuracy. This can be used to update the precise target location. This is in contrast to the GBU-24, which needs to see the laser from the start in order to calculate its trajectory, and so it can't actually glide to the target area and only then start looking for the laser. Because the LS-6 knows where to go, it can be released from much further away than GBU-24.

Now, the EGBU-24 can do that, but it's basically a slightly more primitive LJDAM at this point. 

[Falconeer]

12 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Of course it does. LJDAM (GBU-54, but LS-6 likely can do that, as well), if it sees the laser at any point of its flight, crossreferences it with GPS and will impact that point even if the laser shuts off, albeit with GPS accuracy. This can be used to update the precise target location. This is in contrast to the GBU-24, which needs to see the laser from the start in order to calculate its trajectory, and so it can't actually glide to the target area and only then start looking for the laser. Because the LS-6 knows where to go, it can be released from much further away than GBU-24.

Now, the EGBU-24 can do that, but it's basically a slightly more primitive LJDAM at this point. 

Laser and GPS are 2 totally different systems. When laser signal is lost, it just homes in on the last spot it saw the laser, but it does NOT update coordinates of the bomb, it just steers towards that particular spot.

 

GBU- 24 is a totally different bomb. Not sure you why you are comparing these 2?

Edited November 5, 2022 by Falconeer

[Dragon1-1]

1 hour ago, Falconeer said:

Laser and GPS are 2 totally different systems. When laser signal is lost, it just homes in on the last spot it saw the laser, but it does NOT update coordinates of the bomb,  it just steers to that particular spot.

That's what I meant. The bomb thinks its target is at location X, then it spots the laser at location Y. It will update the target coordinates to location Y and, if the laser turns off, will continue to fly to location Y. This is very handy when you only have the general location of the target, you don't need to know its coordinates at launch, you just need to get the bomb close enough to see the laser.

GBU-24 is an example of a laser-guided bomb which very much doesn't have the capabilities described. In particular, you don't really have the option of dropping it without the laser and having it guide later. It's either a ballistic drop or guided from the start.

[Napillo]

On 11/5/2022 at 4:48 AM, Dragon1-1 said:

The bomb thinks its target is at location X, then it spots the laser at location Y. It will update the target coordinates to location Y and, if the laser turns off, will continue to fly to location Y.

I tested last night on a server that had high wind, fired two ls-6-100, first one was farther away, that one missed the impact point by 2.5 meters, not too bad, but I was using my laser the whole time. Second one was fired about 10 seconds after the first, that one hit dead on, even though the laser turned off a couple seconds before impact. 

[antiload]

TBF, I think we need an official tutorial on how to deploy the LS 100 and proof of concept in the JF-17. 

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[BigBorner]

I’ve played around with it yesterday. I was abled to deploy them somewhat precise, without TGP even being on the plane. Without wind, that being said. 
i really like those little things. 

[sylkhan]

Any news for the ls-6 100/250 (with dual racks) on the inner pylons ?