F-14 Advanced Air to Air Missile Mod by Spino and Currenthill

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Very interesting "what-if" mod. However, I can only find the version for F-14, but after watch GS's video, there seems to be a version for F-15C. May I ask where i can find one.

Edited November 17, 2022 by VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants

[currenthill]

1 hour ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

Very interesting "what-if" mod. However, I can only find the version for F-14, but after watch GS's video, there seems to be a version for F-15C. May I ask where i can find one.

Hey! 

It's mine and Spino's mod. It was developed as a what-if-mod for the F-14, since that's the platform that was suppose to carry them. Any other stuff or implementations you find are frankensteins, modified or used beyond our intention.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Hey @currenthill! Keep up the good work! (Salute)

This may be the closest F-14D we could have. Hope you don't mind I start a thread.

Edited November 16, 2022 by VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants

[currenthill]

1 minute ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

Hey @currenthill! Keep up the good work!

This may be the closest F-14D we could have. Hope you don't mind I start a thread.

Thanks! No worries, I just thought I'd clarify the mod's background. 

F-14 Advanced Air to Air Missile Mod
by Spino and Currenthill

This mod re-creates the AIM-152 Advanced Air to Air Missile (AAAM) designs from the late 1980s that were intended to replace the AIM-54 Phoenix.

This mod drastically improves the firepower of the F-14.  The F-14 can carry six of the Hughes ramjet-powered missile or up to fifteen of the General Dynamics/Westinghouse (GDW) version of the AAAM in special triple-tube launchers.  Needless to say, this breaks integrity check, but to some it's definitely worth it. The radar-guided missiles have a high kill-probability out to 120nm, but I have shot down targets as far away as 160 miles using the GDW missile.

AIM-9X capability is included as well, plus an infrared homing variant of the GDW missile, since it is impossible to replicate the dual mode ARH/IRH seeker that the missile was supposed to have in real life.  This missile has an effective range of roughly 30 miles due to its short-sighted seeker, and you must STT lock a target in order to get a heat seeker lock on it, but once the missile is airborne the STT lock is no longer needed.  Because it is essentially the same missile as the GDW, but with an IR seeker, it has a no-escape zone that extends almost to its maximum effective range, and it is passive homing!  Only 3 of these missiles can be carried for balance purposes, on station 1B.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3326837/

[Nightstorm]

I've added the Radar guided missiles to the RWR mod.

DCS RWR Symbology (digitalcombatsimulator.com)

 

[currenthill]

6 hours ago, Nightstorm said:

I've added the Radar guided missiles to the RWR mod.

DCS RWR Symbology (digitalcombatsimulator.com)

 

Nice!

[Doggo]

Hey there. I was interested in incorporating this with some other modern weapon entries for the F-14, but your LUA files are either encrypted or encoded in some odd UTF.

Any ideas?

[Pally]

On 12/6/2022 at 5:53 PM, Doggo said:

Hey there. I was interested in incorporating this with some other modern weapon entries for the F-14, but your LUA files are either encrypted or encoded in some odd UTF.

Any ideas?

Same.  It will be an awesome if this and DSPlayer's F-14 weapon mods can be somehow combined together before the experience of Super Tomcat 21 can be finally had. 

 

[DmanGIV]

I agree with this.. but Spino has already checked the box on AAM upgrade. Personally I would prefer the MOD to incorporate this one… 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3326497/

[Blade45]

On 1/9/2023 at 11:58 AM, DmanGIV said:

I agree with this.. but Spino has already checked the box on AAM upgrade. Personally I would prefer the MOD to incorporate this one… 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3326497/

Or this one which adds AIM-120Cs, and several other weapon systems: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3326478/

[Spino]

I have a lot of stuff going on right now, but I do have hopes for some other Tomcat improvement/upgrade mods.  The AIM-152 mod is great as-is, but we do want community input on how it functions and what might could be improved.  I personally want it to include a very what-if AIM-152B (HRM) loosely based on what was done with the AMRAAM and the Meteor., with clipped wings, fully powered to target at or around Mach 4, and the ability to reacquire lost targets.  Possibly even a C variant with larger warhead, fuel supply, and radar dish in a front end that is the same size as the rear end.  If DSplayer and currenthill are interested, maybe we can work to combine the former's F-14 weapons mod with the AIM-152 mod.

[Spino]

Did some quick edits of the model in Solidworks to see what it might look like.

Original model:

AIM-152B hypothetical:

With the wings cut shorter it could potentially be carried on a double launcher for Stations 1B and 8B.  Double launchers might even fit in the tunnel like that too, though it would have to hang from the AIM-54 pallets for that most likely.

Edited February 12, 2023 by Spino

[Spino]

And a possible AIM-152C...

Edited February 15, 2023 by Spino

[DJ Reonic]

I once created a bridge between this mod and DSPlayer's Iranian and Modern F-14 Weapons Packs, and it was quite neat to be able to simulate What-if engagements. Unfortunately, I can no longer do that as this mod's files are encrypted. That being said, It would be quite cool to see these mods combined in a manner similar to how I did it, with a bridge mod that would include all CLSID entries in a single LUA file that would have to be enabled after the other 3.

Edited August 14, 2024 by DJ Reonic
Spelling errors (words are hard)

[seven10]

Any chance we may see an update to this great mod? Seems like tracking as of the recent patch is broken and missiles just fly out straight ahead of the Tomcat.

[Spino]

I'm afraid a full update and fix for this mod is beyond my skill set.  I did the research and some of the modeling for this mod, but currenthill did all the scripting for the missiles, which is where the problem lies.  I believe ED may have broken two-stage missile code permanently, and if that's the case I'm afraid the AIM-152 GDW may be dead for good.  I might be wrong about that though.

I could re-code the AIM-152 HRM based on existing ramjet missile code (Meteor for example).  That would at least give us back one of the missiles.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Sorry to hear that. Thanks for your reply.

[Spino]

Actually I did some testing and the HRM seems to still be functional.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

It may be functional, but if I use the mod with AIM-120C5 and AIM-174B, then it is overwritten so I would like to have the 2 mods merged.  Thank you.

[Spino]

I will consider a bridge mod for them all, but no promises.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Take your time, your EX mod always comes first, even in my book (if there is any relevance at all)

[Spino]

Well I think development of the F-15EX will go on hold for a while after the 2.0 release, so I can focus on stuff like this and actually using the sim instead of just making mods for it.

[Spino]

I will also look at the possibility of making an extended range version using this model:

[Spino]

AIM-152C just passed separation tests!  The model and texture still needs some work, but it's off to a reasonably good start.

[Spino]

It's hypersonic!  And with improved textures!  Now to make it compatible with twin launchers