skytro Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 Hi guys New here, so I start with a noob question My first experience with combat flight sims dates back to 1990, with «Jet» on my Amiga. Spent some time on WW2 sims, after a long break I am trying to engage myself with DCS now. I have real flying experience (having flown commercially in Business Aviation), but no experience in modern combat flight sims. Decided that my old X52 is not fit for DCS, thought of getting a Thrustmaster Warthog, but I am currently favouring either the WinWing Orion 2 Max (F-16EX stick with shake kits and Finger lift for the Orion 2 dual throttle) WinWing Orion 2 Metal (w/o shake kits and Finger lift) WinWing Orion 2 Hotas F/A Super Hornet I am not interested in a particular aircraft, guess the F/A-18 or A-10 would be a good start. Dual throttle is a must. I am a bit unsure which of the above sticks you recommend; are the finger lifts on the WinWing Orion 2 Max a «must have»? I don’t mind using an F-16EX stick while flying a Hornet in DCS. What do you think regarding a decent throttle/stick for a DCS newcomer? Thanks! [PS: I initially errorenously posted this questions in the PC Hardware forum, apologies for my mistake]
MustangSally Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 Dual throttle?.....Orion2 with finger lifts as you don't have detents without them F-16EX with Orion2 base is fantastic. You won't be dissapointed 1 Ryzen 9 7950X3D - MSI MAG X670E TomaHawk MB, ASUS ROG Ryujin III 360 AIO 64gig Corsair DDR5@6000, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 AORUS Winwing Super Taurus, Orion2, TO / Combat panels, Collective with Topgun MIP Winwing Skywalker pedals, NLR Boeing Mil Edition Simpit, 55" Samsung Odyssey Ark, Trackir
skytro Posted December 1, 2022 Author Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) Thanks! So the Orion 2 throttle with finger lifts is set then... Still a bit undecided whether I shall go for the F-16EX stick or the FA-18 Hornet stick. Is the shake kit for the F-16EX more than a funny gimmick? Does it only work in DCS or in other sims as well? I d'like to use the stick for the WW2 sim Il-2 as well, so I don't mind if I have an F-16EX or FA-18 stick, as intend to use it for different aircraft types. Guess I'll have to find out which stick (F16EX or F18) is more versatile... Edited December 1, 2022 by skytro
Brother_Leb Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 Yeah, MustangSally's recommendations are good ones. As for the stick, the F-16EX has more buttons and hats than the F18 one, but I would say the shake kit IS more gimmicky than useful, based on what I've heard (I own the F18 stick and love it). The FFSB stick base WW offers is an option too, if you want more haptic response, but I've heard mixed reviews so far. I don't think it's bad necessarily, but as with most sim gear, there's a lot of customization required and I don't think folks have figured out how it works best just yet. Again, I only have the F18 stick, but I would heartily recommend it, BUT you can usually always use more buttons and the F16EX has mawr buttonz! 1 Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz | MSI ATX Pro Z-790-P WIFI | ASUS TUF RTX 4080 | 64GB (2x32) DDR5 4800Mhz WinWing Orion 2 Hotas w/ Hornet Throttle and Stick grips | HP Reverb G2 | BenQ 21" 60Hz | TrackIR 5 + TrackClip Pro Hornet driver, Blue Angel enthusiast, Tomcat stan
CaptHawk Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 I use to think the shake kit was kinda of gimmicky but now use it all the time with the F18, F16. It gives me feedback for instance when I drop tanks, or ordnance, landing gear, etc. Limited profiles and just haven't taken the time to build more. I would definitely get the cam spring damping extension kit though, especially if you fly Helicopters. And with the dual throttles you can designate one for throttle, one for collective. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] AMP WIZARD "Forest Gumble" "When the air becomes electric....It's like a box of chocolates":captain: Windows 11 Pro 64 bit | Intel Alder Lake i7 12700KF | Asus Prime Z690M Plus D4 | CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 64GB (2 x 32GB) DDR4 3200 | EVGA GTX 1070 SC @1594MHz/4000 MHz 8GB | 1x42" Multi Touch Screen and 1x27" 4k widescreen | Saitek x52 Pro |
skytro Posted December 2, 2022 Author Posted December 2, 2022 Thanks for your replies and recommendations guys! About to order from their website, but their order system complains about not recognising my home address (I live in Central Europe). Hopefully this won't be a problem for the delivery... Annoying they only seem to accept PayPal as the sole payment method and not regular credit cards; seems I'll have to open a PayPal account
Brother_Leb Posted December 4, 2022 Posted December 4, 2022 IIRC their website didn't recognize my home address either (I live in central Texas, US ). I double and triple-checked before I submitted, but everything came just fine. As for the Paypal thing, yeah. A hassle, to be sure. I hope you get what you are looking for and are happy with your purchase. Cheers! 1 Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz | MSI ATX Pro Z-790-P WIFI | ASUS TUF RTX 4080 | 64GB (2x32) DDR5 4800Mhz WinWing Orion 2 Hotas w/ Hornet Throttle and Stick grips | HP Reverb G2 | BenQ 21" 60Hz | TrackIR 5 + TrackClip Pro Hornet driver, Blue Angel enthusiast, Tomcat stan
skytro Posted December 4, 2022 Author Posted December 4, 2022 6 hours ago, Brother_Leb said: IIRC their website didn't recognize my home address either (I live in central Texas, US ). I double and triple-checked before I submitted, but everything came just fine. As for the Paypal thing, yeah. A hassle, to be sure. I hope you get what you are looking for and are happy with your purchase. Cheers! Thanks Mate! I ordered it, should arrive on 9 December 1
Razor18 Posted December 26, 2022 Posted December 26, 2022 Gents, I know there is an extra cams and springs package to buy, but anyone knows which type of stock springs and cams are built originally into the Orion 2 joystick base when it arrives? Any adjustment options short of changing to other cams and springs? Thanks
Raviar Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 No, I would Strongly say NO, Its all plastic! and cheap plastic, the idea and design is great but the quality is not, I would recommend VKB or Virpil at any cost
Wolf8312 Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Raviar said: No, I would Strongly say NO, Its all plastic! and cheap plastic, the idea and design is great but the quality is not, I would recommend VKB or Virpil at any cost Which bits are plastic? Not the innards? I have a virpil stick myself (which has a fair share of plastic itself excluding the bits that count) but looking at winwing's throttles, I have to say, the quality of the buttons and constitution of the devices look pretty impressive. Virpil is great no doubt, but not without some quality/plastic issues (broken triggers in my case) of its own, after all, its in a similar price bracket. Have you had problems with the sticks? Edited January 3, 2023 by Wolf8312 ------------ 3080Ti, i5- 13600k 32GB VIVE index, VKB peddals, HOTAS VPC MONGOOSE, WARTHOG throttle, BKicker,
Razor18 Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 7 hours ago, Raviar said: No, I would Strongly say NO, Its all plastic! and cheap plastic, the idea and design is great but the quality is not, I would recommend VKB or Virpil at any cost Are you sure you are talking about the Orion 2 joystick base?... Product Meterial：Aluminum Alloy + Stainless Steel
Raviar Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Razor18 said: Are you sure you are talking about the Orion 2 joystick base?... Product Meterial：Aluminum Alloy + Stainless Steel yes, the stick is plastic not the base , same as throttle base but not the throttle, i thought the same when I read that, BUT the stick it self is plastic and not the pleasant one ! Edited January 3, 2023 by Raviar
MustangSally Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 7 hours ago, Raviar said: yes, the stick is plastic not the base , same as throttle base but not the throttle, i thought the same when I read that, BUT the stick it self is plastic and not the pleasant one ! Please stop with the BS. The grips are aluminum!! Ryzen 9 7950X3D - MSI MAG X670E TomaHawk MB, ASUS ROG Ryujin III 360 AIO 64gig Corsair DDR5@6000, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 AORUS Winwing Super Taurus, Orion2, TO / Combat panels, Collective with Topgun MIP Winwing Skywalker pedals, NLR Boeing Mil Edition Simpit, 55" Samsung Odyssey Ark, Trackir
Raviar Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, MustangSally said: Please stop with the BS. The grips are aluminum!! seems you cant read it properly! the grip aka throttle is aluminum, BUT the throttle BASE is plastic, on the stick side, the BASE is aluminum BUT the STICK is plastic ! maybe I am wrong on the stick part, but it feels plastic Edited January 4, 2023 by Raviar
MustangSally Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 I've pulled apart both my F-16EX and F/A-18 grips and I can assure you that they are all aluminum! Ryzen 9 7950X3D - MSI MAG X670E TomaHawk MB, ASUS ROG Ryujin III 360 AIO 64gig Corsair DDR5@6000, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 AORUS Winwing Super Taurus, Orion2, TO / Combat panels, Collective with Topgun MIP Winwing Skywalker pedals, NLR Boeing Mil Edition Simpit, 55" Samsung Odyssey Ark, Trackir
Wolf8312 Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Raviar said: seems you cant real properly! the grip aka throttle is aluminum, BUT the throttle BASE is plastic, on the stick side, the BASE is aluminum BUT the STICK is plastic ! maybe I am wrong on the stick part, but it feels plastic Have you owned a virpil? Plastic in all the same places. The warthog has an all metal grip (including the casing) though inferior base. ------------ 3080Ti, i5- 13600k 32GB VIVE index, VKB peddals, HOTAS VPC MONGOOSE, WARTHOG throttle, BKicker,
BuzzU Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 You really can't put down polymer. The real F/A-18c grip is polymer and so is the frame on a Glock. Buzz
Raviar Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 41 minutes ago, Wolf8312 said: Have you owned a virpil? Plastic in all the same places. The warthog has an all metal grip (including the casing) though inferior base. warthog is all metal but the gimbal inside the base is plastic and the throttle but it has metal cover on the throttle
Wolf8312 Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, Raviar said: warthog is all metal but the gimbal inside the base is plastic and the throttle but it has metal cover on the throttle Yeah that's one reason I bought a virpil because I'd rather have a metal gimbal with stick encased in plastic than a plastic gimbal with a stick encased in metal. But I assume the winwing also has a metal gimbal? 1 ------------ 3080Ti, i5- 13600k 32GB VIVE index, VKB peddals, HOTAS VPC MONGOOSE, WARTHOG throttle, BKicker,
MustangSally Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Wolf8312 said: Yeah that's one reason I bought a virpil because I'd rather have a metal gimbal with stick encased in plastic than a plastic gimbal with a stick encased in metal. But I assume the winwing also has a metal gimbal? Alloy gimbal and grip Ryzen 9 7950X3D - MSI MAG X670E TomaHawk MB, ASUS ROG Ryujin III 360 AIO 64gig Corsair DDR5@6000, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 AORUS Winwing Super Taurus, Orion2, TO / Combat panels, Collective with Topgun MIP Winwing Skywalker pedals, NLR Boeing Mil Edition Simpit, 55" Samsung Odyssey Ark, Trackir
Wolf8312 Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, MustangSally said: Alloy gimbal and grip Okay technically alloy! But as for the grip I was only refering to the plastic shell encasing the grip, not the grip itself. ------------ 3080Ti, i5- 13600k 32GB VIVE index, VKB peddals, HOTAS VPC MONGOOSE, WARTHOG throttle, BKicker,
MustangSally Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Wolf8312 said: Okay technically alloy! But as for the grip I was only refering to the plastic shell encasing the grip, not the grip itself. No, the Winwing F/A-18 and F-16EX grips are painted aluminum. I have both and have had both apart. Edited January 4, 2023 by MustangSally Ryzen 9 7950X3D - MSI MAG X670E TomaHawk MB, ASUS ROG Ryujin III 360 AIO 64gig Corsair DDR5@6000, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 AORUS Winwing Super Taurus, Orion2, TO / Combat panels, Collective with Topgun MIP Winwing Skywalker pedals, NLR Boeing Mil Edition Simpit, 55" Samsung Odyssey Ark, Trackir
Wolf8312 Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 Just now, MustangSally said: No, the Winwing F/A-18 and F-16EX grips are painted aluminum Ah got ya! Sorry! ------------ 3080Ti, i5- 13600k 32GB VIVE index, VKB peddals, HOTAS VPC MONGOOSE, WARTHOG throttle, BKicker,
Wolf8312 Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 3 hours ago, BuzzU said: You really can't put down polymer. The real F/A-18c grip is polymer and so is the frame on a Glock. Out of interest. Do those super expensive replica companies use polymers? ------------ 3080Ti, i5- 13600k 32GB VIVE index, VKB peddals, HOTAS VPC MONGOOSE, WARTHOG throttle, BKicker,
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