DustyFox Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 Why people don't fly JF17 much? Just bought the module and love it. Don't see many JF's online... why? Did I miss something? 3
falcon_120 Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 Well, many people love other modules, in many cases the fighter of choice for their air force (F16, F18, Su27....).Having said that I usually see many jf17 online in the servers I play, mainly blueflag and Ddcs. It's a great plane with lot of nasty weapons to do harm.Enviado desde mi ELE-L29 mediante Tapatalk 5
DustyFox Posted December 1, 2022 Author Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, falcon_120 said: Well, many people love other modules, in many cases the fighter of choice for their air force (F16, F18, Su27....). Having said that I usually see many jf17 online in the servers I play, mainly blueflag and Ddcs. It's a great plane with lot of nasty weapons to do harm. Enviado desde mi ELE-L29 mediante Tapatalk I own all of the modules you mentioned (even above) and can definitely say that JF is underestimated. The only reason I can imagine is that people is biased to "third world" things. Which is more like harassing... Edited December 1, 2022 by DustyFox 1
Rudel_chw Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 59 minutes ago, DustyFox said: The only reason I can imagine is that people is biased to "third world" things If you have already the answer made up on your mind .. why bother to ask on the Forum? My opinion, in case you want it, is that the JF-17 on DCS has been sold in much lower quantities than the F-18, F-16 and Su-27; and so the numbers you see on servers are representative of that fact. 2 For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
DustyFox Posted December 1, 2022 Author Posted December 1, 2022 It is assumption basically 5 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said: If you have already the answer made up on your mind .. why bother to ask on the Forum? It is assumption basically.
FlankerFan35 Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, DustyFox said: I own all of the modules you mentioned (even above) and can definitely say that JF is underestimated. The only reason I can imagine is that people is biased to "third world" things. Which is more like harassing... I'd say it's a mix of factors. It's a relatively rare and unknown aircraft, it's not red or blue so people are weird about it and yes some are biased against red. Edited December 1, 2022 by FlankerFan35
Napillo Posted December 1, 2022 Posted December 1, 2022 I'll say also that on a lot of servers, they won't have it available, or if they do it's severely crippled by the lack of a Fox-1 or not allowing you to take LD-10. The gun for 'air to ground' is puny 23mm and only has 180 bullets anyway, so on those servers, you don't have a lot of options to have a good experience.
Mike_Romeo Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) On 12/1/2022 at 1:34 PM, DustyFox said: Why people don't fly JF17 much? Just bought the module and love it. Don't see many JF's online... why? Did I miss something? Relative unkown aircraft and so there is no much interest into it. Many F-16 pilots dont want to get a (cheap & inferior) copy of the same aircraft for 80$ Edited December 2, 2022 by Mike_Romeo My skins
falcon_120 Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 Relative unkown aircraft and so there is no much interest into it. Many F-16 pilots dont want to get a (cheap & inferior) copy of the same aircraft for 80$It's not inferior in capabilities, its just lighter, so less range and less payload.Enviado desde mi ELE-L29 mediante Tapatalk 2
Mike_Romeo Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, falcon_120 said: It's not inferior in capabilities Yeah but most people wont realise that because they do not care because they have no interest into a cheap third world aircraft Edited December 2, 2022 by Mike_Romeo 1 My skins
Dr_Pavelheer Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 Part of the appeal of DCS is flying "real" jets, everybody has seen a Tomcat, Viper, Hind on TV, in a movie, maybe even in real life. JF-17 for most people might as well be made up. 4
Iron Sights Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 There are quite a few odd jets in DCS, Viggen, CC-101 and the JF-17. I fly them all and I fly all the known jets as well. For me it’s fun to see the differences in them. 2
Hobo 1-1 Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) I hear you. I really, really enjoy the Jeff and also wonder why more don’t give it a shot. The goal for the real Jf-17 was for a much less expensive replacement to the F-16 that roughly mimic’s the Falcon’s performance and capabilities. They succeeded. Ultimately it’s less capable than a modern F-16, but keep in mind the Falcon has been steadily developed since the 1970’s. I think the capability/performance deficiencies compared to the Falcon are on the margins, particularly for our game. I ‘argue’ the Jeff is one of the most complete, polished fully released jet modules out there, if not the most complete. I have a lot of fun with it and find it’s quirks part of its personality. It’s not for everyone, but I love it. Edited December 3, 2022 by Hobo 1-1 My spelling sucks 4
Napillo Posted December 3, 2022 Posted December 3, 2022 9 hours ago, falcon_120 said: so less range and less payload somewhat, depends on the speeds you fly them - if you can fly it right, you can get great fuel economy out of it, much more than the F-16. 1
Vashka Posted December 3, 2022 Posted December 3, 2022 There's just an inherent bias to US aircraft. I love the Jeff for the cockpit. My young brain works well with the iPads and workflow. Everything just works. You push the party button with everything set up right, and it does it's job. its never going to do anything unexpected, for better or worse. I'd expect that the flight sim community mostly grew up in an era with the f-14 and f-18 and so they have an attachment. 1
Tiger-II Posted December 29, 2022 Posted December 29, 2022 (edited) Simple: it isn't American! Cue "Team America" theme... JF-17 is a potent weapon in the right hands. It comes down to how skilled of a pilot you are. Some people gravitate to the F-16/F-18 because the aircraft makes up for their deficiencies as a pilot, but as some of the problems are being corrected in those modules, they require more skill to fight in. As written above: do NOT under-estimate the Jeff as an offensive platform. I'm at home in either the Jeff or the F-16. Edited December 29, 2022 by Tiger-II 2 Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
Blackhawk NC Posted January 1, 2023 Posted January 1, 2023 The JF-17 is a pretty good aircraft, a very complete module for a change. But the changing capabilities of the SD-10 and the LD-10 make it an unknown quantity sometimes. It also smokes too much and can be spotted more easily that an F-16 or F-18. They should adjust that! Overall a good aircraft but not as good capable as an F-16. If both are available on the red side, most choose to fly the Viper.
Napillo Posted January 1, 2023 Posted January 1, 2023 20 minutes ago, Blackhawk NC said: can be spotted more easily that an F-16 or F-18. They should adjust that! let's be clear here, the reason it can be spotted more easily is because of the smoke, which you can only see WVR anyway. RCS is 25% less than the F-16, so that shouldn't be a problem. I agree though that the smoke is too much, as we've seen in videos of Block 1 and 2 JF-17s flying, there is not as much smoke as in game. 1
Tiger-II Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) Quote But the changing capabilities of the SD-10 and the LD-10 make it an unknown quantity sometimes. Perhaps the most annoying part of flying it. After every update, you need to question weapons effectiveness. That just shouldn't happen, and is all because of the controversy of the SD-10 vs. AIM-120 performance. Yes, SD-10 is THAT GOOD, but those who fly against it want to fly the F-16 and kill stuff 60 NM away every time (just as unrealistic). There are tons of videos of the DCS F-16 being flown at 55000 ft. LOL! IRL, SD-10 proved so capable, it became a SAM system with >90% PK. Edited January 5, 2023 by Tiger-II Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
Iron Sights Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 Situational awareness to me is better in the Jeff, plus the missile warning system. In the right hands, it’s pretty good. God forbid if it goes Block III. 1
Tiger-II Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 SA depends on the pilot to a large extent. Jeff with SPJ (combined with the rear-aspect MLWS) is a pretty potent package though. Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
Pede Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 On 12/2/2022 at 3:54 PM, Hobo 1-1 said: The goal for the real Jf-17 was for a much less expensive replacement to the F-16 that roughly mimic’s the Falcon’s performance and capabilities. They succeeded. Ultimately it’s less capable than a modern F-16, but keep in mind the Falcon has been steadily developed since the 1970’s. I think the capability/performance deficiencies compared to the Falcon are on the margins, particularly for our game. It's definitely not. Between an AESA radar and PL15's it's arguably more capable than the most modern F16's, and thats not considering Pakistan would not be getting Aim120D or the F16V at any time in the conceivable future.
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 On 12/1/2022 at 6:34 AM, DustyFox said: Why people don't fly JF17 much? Just bought the module and love it. Don't see many JF's online... why? Did I miss something? It has limitations when compared to the Viper or the Hornet. But, I'd argue those limitations make it a very interesting aircraft to fly. It fills this wonderful space between F-5E size and payload and F-16 sophistication. So, I'm a fan. Especially in the realm of ground attack/COIN, the JF shines like a diamond. Take up those guided rockets and you can really provide stupidly effective CAS. I just treat them like the VIKHRs on the Black Shark, firing in pairs. 2 Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
Napillo Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said: Take up those guided rockets and you can really provide stupidly effective CAS. I I used to do that, but having to select a target with the tpod before they fire is kinda limiting, easier and faster to take the MK5, or the UG ones and align the CCIP marker to the target.
Pede Posted February 19, 2023 Posted February 19, 2023 21 hours ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said: It has limitations when compared to the Viper or the Hornet. But, I'd argue those limitations make it a very interesting aircraft to fly. It fills this wonderful space between F-5E size and payload and F-16 sophistication. So, I'm a fan. Especially in the realm of ground attack/COIN, the JF shines like a diamond. Take up those guided rockets and you can really provide stupidly effective CAS. I just treat them like the VIKHRs on the Black Shark, firing in pairs. I use them in single fire, a single 90mm rocket is enough to destroy most targets.
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