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Tactics for HARM on SA-10 "Grumble"


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2 minutes ago, Hobel said:

It depends, when the radar is tracking a target the beam is only 45°.  So it has been at least with sa-10, with my last tests

That's interesting, the beamwidth in its .lua is the same 1.57-ish radians (or 90°).

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Is there any way to (exactly) figure out on F-16 if the radar stops emitting? How accurate is RWR (ALR-56M), does it stop showing on it, if there is no signal from the radar? 

So I can at least be sure harm has been fired when radar was locked-on to.


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vor 20 Minuten schrieb skywalker22:

Is there any way to (exactly) figure out on F-16 if the radar stops emitting? How accurate is RWR (ALR-56M), does it stop showing on it, if there is no signal from the radar? 

So I can at least be sure harm has been fired when radar was locked-on to.

 

Yes there is, the radar immediately disappears from the RWR, similar also with the HTS pod.

 

Only the radar of DCS does not turn off without mods, as far as I know.

vor 42 Minuten schrieb Northstar98:

That's interesting, the beamwidth in its .lua is the same 1.57-ish radians (or 90°).

Maybe that's true depending on how exactly it's meant?  I will test that again.

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vor 1 Stunde schrieb Northstar98:

That's interesting, the beamwidth in its .lua is the same 1.57-ish radians (or 90°).

my mistake 90° is correct, when I wrote that my brain told me a circle is 180° lol

So an SA-10 can attack  5 targets within 90°

the SA-3 TR SNR-125 scan in a area  of 90°, but as soon as it locks a target, the beam is around ~4°
can therefore also only lock one target.

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On 1/16/2023 at 11:52 AM, razo+r said:

Of course there is a way to defeat all 4 SAMs. Question is, do you want a realistic approach or a DCS approach?

The DCS approach would be to fly below 10m to the SAM and gun strafe the SAMs of your choice and use 4 HARMs on the SA-10 or the other way around, shoot the HARMs at the SAMs while you go in low for a gun kill on the SA-10.

That is the fault of mission builders who don't include manpads in their mission designs.  In multi-player they are especially missing.

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Am 24.1.2023 um 16:53 schrieb Gaffer_DCS:



Try shooting the HARM in POS mode from close range. 

Okay, I finally made this mission! No cheating, no landing, no rearming, no gun strafe, just HARM, and this video brought me on the right track, thanks! So I can confirm, it is really possible to solve this mission with exactly one HARM each to took down all 4 SAMs.

As said the first 3 SAMs are no challenge. They can be shot down each with one HARM.

The 4th and last SAM (SA-10) I took down like this:

1. Flying towards the SA-10 at around 19k feet.

2. About 20nm out the SA-10 started to fire at me, and I saw the rockets taking off by looking out of the cockpit. So I looked with the HMCS at the origin of the rockets' trails and created a mark point (by HMCS).

3. Then I immediately pressed M-SEL to select the newly created mark point as steer point and making it SPI.

4. Hard nose down to dodge the missiles fired at me, and retaining the jet at very low altitutude from this point on (e.g. 50ft).

5. Once the missiles were defeated, low level approach towards the SAM (which is now a stear point / SPI), using some terrain masking.

6. Few nm out to target, loft up with 45° until reaching around 5k ft, firing the SAM (POS mode).

7. Immediately returning back low and escaping the site.

20s later or so, the HARM took out the SA-10. Mission completed.

 

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33 minutes ago, GafferDCS said:

OP glad you got it figured out!

 

I made another video the other day on the subject. FYI if you shoot between 8-10mi out the HARM will self-loft and no need to go sticking your neck out 

 

 

Cool video gaffer, never thought about doing sead this way

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