ICLS compartability with F-16C

[Logan54]

Hi, after last update I tried to land Viper on Forrestal (with hook)and couldnt to set ICLS channel, because I dont know it frequency. If it possible to use ICLS with Viper by setting ICLS freq, and if possible, can ED to show frequency table for each channel?

[razo+r]

They're not compatible, as the ICLS frequency is a different one than the one in use with ILS.

[Logan54]

ahh, bad news for me, will use tacan)

[SickSidewinder9]

The hook on Airforce fighters is for emergencies such as brake failure.  The system of cables would be at the end of the runway, and any "trap" would be at low speed and zero AoA and 0 fpm.
Or were you already aware of this?

Edited January 31, 2023 by SickSidewinder9

[Logan54]

1 час назад, SickSidewinder9 сказал:

The hook on Airforce fighters is for emergencies such as brake failure.  The system of cables would be at the end of the runway, and any "trap" would be at low speed and zero AoA and 0 fpm.
Or were you already aware of this?

 

I know but want to have a chance to land F-16 on carrier with not only tacan)

 

[draconus]

10 hours ago, Logan54 said:

to land F-16 on carrier

It only works atm because of lack of proper DM.

[Raisuli]

This just won't go away, will it? 

Which doesn't mean I haven't landed an F-16 on a carrier and all that, but you're not going to get CV ops done.  Last time I checked you couldn't get the CV to respond on the radio, apart from which that cute little dainty undercarriage just isn't designed for 750 FPS of descent.

The Air Force specialize in flaring out on tens of thousands of feet of concrete and think the Navy is nuts for wasting so much training time on landings.

Air Force hooks are about two thirds the size of Navy hooks.  Can you catch a wire?  Probably; I just haven't taken the time to find out yet.  It might even stop the aircraft, but again that's a DCS thing.  There's nothing wrong with it, just like there's nothing wrong with grabbing a bit of tea while pulling 9g. 

Neither of those will happen in the 'real world'.  In the real world you have to ease up to inhale once in a while, but us sim pilots are so awesome we breathe normally under those conditions and pull 9 in that rate fight for minutes at a time.  Our G-suits don't even feel like they're going to break something important.

Of course 'dying' and immediately hopping in another aircraft doesn't happen much in the real world, either.  I broke every window in Dubai yesterday after forgetting about the lack of a g limiter in the F14, so I practiced slaloming buildings at mach 1.2.  I even shot the eye of the Sail, but that was an F18.

Around here reality doesn't apply.

 

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Fixed a typo and AF hooks are 2/3-ish.  Was thinking a third smaller.

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Edited February 1, 2023 by Raisuli

[draconus]

17 hours ago, Raisuli said:

750 FPS of descent

That would no longer be called landing gear - crash pads?

Edited February 2, 2023 by draconus

[SickSidewinder9]

The more I think about it, the more I know I'm gonna wind up giving it a serious try. 

[Dragon1-1]

I think it's quite possible that, if the wires were tensioned properly, and the pilot caught the 1-wire (as to have room to stop), that the real Viper would indeed stop on a carrier deck, as long as the weather was perfect. Remember, both hook and gear have safety margins, and in perfect conditions, carrier landing is not that stressful. Also, there's the fact that the jet could be gotten off a carrier in port, with a crane. This means that it'd be effectively a writeoff, and the limits designed to keep the aircraft capable of flying again do not apply. Remember, the Hornet's gear isn't that strong because it has to withstand a single carrier landing, it's that strong because it has to take a lifetime of them. Likewise the hook must be good for catching the wire hundreds of time, not just once. The Viper's hook, meanwhile, has to work just once in this scenario, likely after a lifetime of never even being lowered except by the ground crew, as a test.

Of course, I don't think this would ever be done, because trapping is hard enough, and Viper pilots don't train for it. Even in the most contrived scenario, ditching next to the carrier would be safer and easier to pull out, particularly since there are ditching procedures for the Viper that the pilot would likely be more familiar with than with how to land on a carrier.

[draconus]

With the strong enough wind and carrier max speed into the wind... maybe.

[Logan54]

I just ask about setting ICSL ch manually with Viper to land carrier, I not asked about realism of this land

[Logan54]

23 часа назад, Raisuli сказал:

Around here reality doesn't apply.

here I asked about comartability of link4 and F-16, nothing more

[draconus]

37 minutes ago, Logan54 said:

I just ask about setting ICSL ch manually with Viper to land carrier, I not asked about realism of this land

And you got answer in a first reply so what's your point?

[Logan54]

52 минуты назад, draconus сказал:

And you got answer in a first reply so what's your point?

Finally I got answer "no man u cant use it because its another type of comms" but this is just subjective opinion that hasnt any proof, isnt it? Have some real document(non secret) that will show the difference?

[Raisuli]

20 minutes ago, Logan54 said:

Finally I got answer "no man u cant use it because its another type of comms" but this is just subjective opinion that hasnt any proof, isnt it? Have some real document(non secret) that will show the difference?

Much like Navy aircraft don't have the equipment needed to perform ILS on ground bases, the F-16 (actually all of the non-US Navy aircraft in DCS) lack the equipment to communicate with a carrier.  It's simply not there because those aircraft are not involved in carrier flight operations.  The cost and weight aren't needed, apart from which the F-16 is not built for carrier operations.  The undercarriage (landing gear) isn't built for that kind of punishment, and while the airframe might be able to handle a bridle, the nose gear certainly couldn't tolerate a launch bar.

DCS models aircraft as they are, which is why that option isn't available in game.   COULD they add it?  Sure.  They COULD model phaser banks and photon torpedos, but choose not to for reasons they've gone into ad nauseum.

This isn't secret squirrel stuff.  It's simply not available for the F-16 in DCS.  That's the best answer anyone can give on this.  Sorry.

[razo+r]

1 hour ago, Logan54 said:

Finally I got answer "no man u cant use it because its another type of comms" but this is just subjective opinion that hasnt any proof, isnt it? Have some real document(non secret) that will show the difference?

The proof that it doesnt work in DCS is in the game itself. Dig around and you'll see the ICLS frequency in DCS are in the GHz range while ILS is in the range of MHz. Completely different frequency ranges. 

 

Edited February 2, 2023 by razo+r

[draconus]

2 hours ago, Logan54 said:

Have some real document(non secret) that will show the difference?

I tried but apparently the ICLS frequencies are either secret or very hard to find. Here you have good explanation:

 

[Logan54]

 

16 минут назад, draconus сказал:

I tried but apparently the ICLS frequencies are either secret or very hard to find. Here you have good explanation:

 

thank u man, that show me how it works, and sorry if my question was silly, I m not a pro in landing systems, but want to know more about it and not found any info in DCS manual about compartability

Edited February 2, 2023 by Logan54