Think I'm ready to leave off MSSA now

[Wolf8312]

Is it me, or does the sim look better without MSSA these days? Not saying it looks 'better' as in superior (although with the increased clarity it is kind of a toss up) but only that, unlike in the old days, the performance increase seems to trump the shimmering now. Hell, I was just flying downtown vegas and to be honest the shimmering was minimal while the performance itself was as smooth as butter. Don't think I can go back, and think I'm finally ready to ditch MSSA!

Not sure if its the sim itself, or open XR perhaps, but its hard to discard that kind of fluidity. Also think open XR's basic 'shadows' might be a better alternative to the real thing. They don't produce real shadows but they at least cast darkness onto the cockpit occasionally which is good enough for me I think....

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Do you use OPXRTK too? Even by default, it makes things looks slightly better, or it was me.

[dburne]

Not me, I still have to have my 2x MSAA and that even in the higher resolution Aero. It just makes things look so much better to me.

[Gribbstar]

I have to disagree, mine looks pretty awful without 4x msaa. Only running a quest 2 though, so likely having to compensate for the already pretty crap image quality.

[Steel Jaw]

For this Quest2 owner, MSSA2 turns it into a stutter show inside the pit.

[5ephir0th]

The problem of MSAA is that is not very effective and blurry the image more than i like

[Wolf8312]

It's the performance issues that clinch it for me. Especially with massive forrests and things. To be honest though I really don't find the shimmers too bad these days in most situations. It might be an open XR setting I'm using or something but in the old days I defo found no MSSA unbearable but not so much now.

[motoadve]

16 hours ago, dburne said:

Not me, I still have to have my 2x MSAA and that even in the higher resolution Aero. It just makes things look so much better to me.

Same here, I also turned ON SSAO SSRL no performance hit with the 4090 looks amazing.

[Lurker]

How do you get rid of the shimmering if you're not running at least 2x MSAA?

[Marco Schaap]

No MSAA with Native OpenXR, Reverb G2 @100% resolution in OpenXR Tools for Mixed Reality. Shimmering is minimal IMHO

[Wolf8312]

2 hours ago, Lurker said:

How do you get rid of the shimmering if you're not running at least 2x MSAA?

Shimmers are certainly not eliminated for myself. In some scenes its pretty damned shimmery (I roll play its just a trick of the eye/glass cockpit!) it's just something I can live with compared to before as in many places its not really that noticible. I feel the fluidity (and it has nice clarity) trumps the shimmers. MSSA 4x is totally doable on my system, but if you get into massive forrest landscapes it can get pretty stuttery (unless you turn trees down which looks far worse than shimmers)! I also run clouds on ultra as they are pretty damned shimmery on any other setting beside ultra. It's really just about trade offs and personal preference. Some people can't live without shadows, but although I appreciate how much better they are when on, they are something I can personally live without for performance sake. Take a helicopter like the Gazelle and fly it around downtown Vegas without MSSA, or shadows. Not only does it look fine IMO, but the immersion is massively enhanced by how smooth and responsive it feels while performing wild acrobatics in and out, and around all the skyscrapers!

[PLUTON]

hello to all, but I still haven't quite understood what Open xr Native is!
i always use open composite with open xr

I have a G2

[freehand]

I like shadows and do not like shimmers not interested in looking at a spectrum flight sim, them days are gone lol.

 

 

Edited February 8, 2023 by freehand

[cashman75]

On 2/8/2023 at 7:19 PM, PLUTON said:

hello to all, but I still haven't quite understood what Open xr Native is!
i always use open composite with open xr

I have a G2

Hi, with the latest Open Beta update, DCS can run OpenXr natively, you do not need Open Composite to use OpenXr in DCS anymore. (You can continue to use "OpenXR Toolkit" ) 

1- Just create a shortcut of "DCS.exe" on you desktop. (Not "DCSUpdater.exe" )

2- Right click on the shorcut and select properties

3- Within properties, add  --force_enable_VR -- force_OpenXR command parameter to the end of the argument in the "Target" line (which is something like ....../DCS.exe") Make sure to add a space after .../DCS.exe" ) You can find the details in the forum topic below.

 Best regards.

 

Edited February 12, 2023 by cashman75

[WipeUout]

I used to have to endure the MSAA performance hit in order to have an acceptable level of shimmer with my pimax 5k super.  Same with my 8k+ as I was not able to supersample enough to get rid of most of the shimmers.  Now with my 8kX and DCS native OpenXR support, I am able to fly at native resolution.  4K per eye is the sweet spot for me, the higher resolution is truly the cure to reduce the aliasing to an acceptable point.  It's not that I would not like to switch it on, I did try using it and it eliminates almost all aliasing.  Maybe when we get the upcoming "shadow options" and multithreading I will be able used it again.  It's a balancing act no matter what is your setup, you just can't have it all.