Feedback Thread F-14 Tomcat - Update 10th March 2023

[TAIPAN_]

12 hours ago, unlikely_spider said:

Why do you need to look at those when you're flying?

Same reason people look at the model aeroplanes they built, if it's a thing of beauty enjoy it.

A more practical example is my UFC button box has multiple face plates with labels so I can fly different aircraft without having to lookup what I've mapped to what, and LCD screens that I can see things on as I type on the panel (eg the Hornet UFC LCD screens). My CDU has buttons that I can't use by feel as well, especially the letters. 

1 hour ago, unlikely_spider said:

Well that's certainly not true! Otherwise I'd be a complete failure in VR.

I've owned VR, it is true indeed that fumbling happens. Especially if you drink beer while you fly!

Keyboard is probably a better example, as are the other things I mentioned. But yeah Joystick is fine once it's in your hand..

49 minutes ago, Cab said:

PointCTRL solves this problem (for me, anyway). VR would be a lot less enjoyable without it.

Yeah it's personal preference really, pointCTRL is still a mouse-like solution and you're using your brain to fill the gaps.

I like the touch and physical movement of a good controller. I agree the brain is a very powerful thing though and can make you feel like you're "actually there" and it did it for me in things like Half Life Alyx. For flight sims though I like hardware/cockpit, since there's no walking around anyway.

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56 minutes ago, draconus said:

Even if you have only one eye, totally getting rid of the feeling of depth, it still gives you better tracking and 1:1 scale undistorted vision. And you're supposed to see the virtual cockpit, not your own, so you better have your hardware in the right places to easily find and feel it.

 

First part is true (better tracking)

Second part is not true (supposed to see virtual cockpit not your own). Plenty of people setup home simulators and turn off the virtual cockpit to show only the view out the canopy. I disagree with "supposed to" just because that's purely personal preference if you like graphics or real objects, which is often decided based on hardware etc.

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30 minutes ago, TAIPAN_ said:

Second part is not true (supposed to see virtual cockpit not your own). Plenty of people setup home simulators and turn off the virtual cockpit to show only the view out the canopy. I disagree with "supposed to" just because that's purely personal preference if you like graphics or real objects, which is often decided based on hardware etc.

Are we still on VR subject? You seem to go into home pit with screen or AR categories.

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35 minutes ago, draconus said:

Are we still on VR subject? You seem to go into home pit with screen or AR categories.

VR isn't the subject, we've gone way off topic it seems.. Me included sorry. 

[RustBelt]

7 hours ago, unlikely_spider said:

Well that's certainly not true! Otherwise I'd be a complete failure in VR.

That’s a great example of personal bias. 

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12 minutes ago, RustBelt said:

That’s a great example of personal bias. 

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[RustBelt]

43 minutes ago, unlikely_spider said:

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Because it’s your experience, it must be everyones.

[unlikely_spider]

20 minutes ago, RustBelt said:

Because it’s your experience, it must be everyones.

It's not a stretch to say that it's demonstrably untrue that pilots need to look at everything they touch. There's a reason that hotas switches are shaped differently.

When I fly in real life (though granted all those planes are far simpler than anything in DCS), I certainly don't look at all the controls I use them there either. I don't need to look at the mixture to use it, not the flaps lever, nor the trim wheel.

If one needed to see the mouse to use it in DCS, every VR pilot would be an abject failure in even the simplest of tasks.

Edited April 14, 2023 by unlikely_spider

[RustBelt]

When you fly in real life you don’t Look/Touch/Verify? That’s like basic commercial error prevention. It’s one of the cores of safe operations outside of Recreational GA. And in emergency procedures it’s a no joke you’re canned if you forget it in a sim ride. To put on my actual Flight instructor hat for a second; Please consider integrating it into your flying. Never engage a control without being positive it’s the one you intended.

 

And fumbling for a mouse blind is nothing at all like trying to work a switch panel blind, which was what the other poster was talking about. 
 

 

Edited April 15, 2023 by RustBelt