fixed internally Mission 11: Raven 34 doesn't wanna drop his pig

[SexyTomato]

In the JSOW deployment phase, I used the radio manu to tell reven34 to drop his bomb. He responded but kept following me. The strange thing is, he would call fence in from west when we arrived at the west from the target and call pigs away when I decided to drop by myself instead.

Can't attach the track file cuz it exceeds 50MB.

[baltic_dragon]

Thanks. Are you using any 3rd party mods or voice attack by any chance?

[SexyTomato]

Nope. Everything is stock except for the CMDS lua of F18 that I amended so that I don't have to program the counter measure every time.

The first time I played this mission is in November and it already existed. I tried this in MT in this update which I don't have reshade for this version and it still happened.

[Sulfa]

Im having the same issue. Nicky just flies off to Narnia.null

[Sulfa]

Raven 34 drops to 6.6 ft and RTBs when I tell him to anchor at 20k 30 miles west of the target.  He responds that he has the coordinates entered but still continues back to the boat at 6.6k.

[baltic_dragon]

I saw this happen on occassion to wingmen, but can't reproduce here... will keep trying. Damn AI. 

[R33]

same here, tried 2 times, first I ordered him to make third shot, second time I asked him to make the first shot. Both times he flew to mother and started circling.

[barronpixy]

Same problem. Couldn't complete the mission with two JSOW so I brought 4. After the SEAD mission, Nick returned to formation.

[escaner]

I tried this one today and had the same problem as in the first message: when I tell Raven 34 to attack via F10 menu, he stays in formation with me and never attacks. I am not using any mod. I will try with 4 JSOW as barronpixy suggests.

Also, may I add a suggestion? When coordinates are given, please, don't forget the units. It is very confusing because sometimes are DegMinSec while sometimes are DegMin and they could also be just Deg. When no units are given, I just assume it is the default while inputting, but I remember that there was a mission where it was not the case (the one with the exfil in the island next to an airfield) and it was very confusing.

[escaner]

Hi, tried again with 4 x JSOW and this time I could complete the mission, but there was another issue: again, no tanker available going back to the carrier.

I found the taker it in front of me on approach when the ATC told me to "call the ball", we nearly collide. I don't understand why ATC will give me a push time for the approach and allow AI do whatever they like, but well, that is ED...

[baltic_dragon]

Hey. This mission will need a solid rework, so many things went tango uniform after several DCS updates that I might need to re-build it from ground up, which I'll do for May update.
As for the coordinates - I spoke to some pilots and they said it was a common confusion to get coordinates in specific format without mentioning which one it was, so I did it on purpose here   confusion is part of the job!

[escaner]

I understand you, and really appreciate your effort in providing realism in your campaigns, but take into account that in real life, when there is a doubt about the coordinates or something else, you can ask for clarification. You can't do that in DCS. That is why I think that these things should be more clear when interaction is not possible.

Anyway, if someone is expecting to enter coordinates to create a WP in default format, e.g. DDº MM.MM', but you provide them in DDº MM' SS" saying the units, I bet that 90% of the people will enter them incorrectly without converting them, achieving the same confusion effect.

Edited April 5, 2023 by escaner

[SchneeFee]

Hello, is this mission already fixed?

[baltic_dragon]

Not yet and I am not sure I'll be able to fix it for the next OB given very tight deadlines I have now for the Strike Eagle. But I'll do my best. The problem is that each bug requires me to re-fly the mission, find the problem, apply the fix and then re-fly the mission to test it... and I effectively have around 2h for DCS a day given day job and family. But I'm putting together a team of volunteers to help me with testing, which I hope can speed things up! 

[icecold951]

On 3/21/2023 at 8:14 AM, baltic_dragon said:

I saw this happen on occassion to wingmen, but can't reproduce here... will keep trying. Damn AI. 

Note, I have had this happen in my own campaign missions after the update that affected flights attack target. I had the have the command point on top of the target to get them to attack it. I wish ED would return to the methods before. they worked. I was just here checking on this same bug. And I have no mods. Using the MT because it works best for VR now.

Ironically I got mission complete when I landed, and moved on to the next.

[SchneeFee]

[SexyTomato]

Please give some love to this mission. TvT

[GumidekCZ]

Last night, same issue here, by F10 command to my wingmen I give him order to JSOW attack ... AI then flew south of Mother and than back North without PIG away.

[Aja]

I have played this mission three times. The first time I dropped a pig on the first and second set of coordinates and the Raven 34 was unable to drop on the third. The second time I ordered Rave34 to drop first, he refused. The third time I dropped first and second, Rave 34 was able to deliver on the third set of coordinates but could not deliver on the fourth. However, the Spades were announcing that it was enough and decided to attack so I could finish the mission.

p.s. The first time I was playing with VoiceAttack and SimpleRadio, at the second and third I didn't. At all attempts, I was using TrackIR5 software.

[baltic_dragon]

Hey guys, I am now going through whole campaign and updating lots of things (there will be much more immersion in Raven One, check the video below). Also fixing all the bugs I can find. M11 is the one that needs most work on and I'll make sure by the time the updated campaign is out it works like a charm (aiming at October patch but can't promise that, depending how difficult things will prove to be fixed).

 

[rob10]

Just flew this on the 2.9 hotfix.  I dropped on 1st, let Nicky take the 2nd when he said he had co-ordinates entered and he was ready BUT he never dropped (I gave it >10 mins) and when I finally gave up and entered the co-ordinates and dropped myself I soon as I released I got the message "Nicky pigs away".  After my pig hit, the Harriers were supposed to be checking BDA but then went MIA and never responded again.

Will try and fly it again and see what happens.  After I posted I realized that I should make sure I have no mod interference.  I check that 1st and report back.

EDIT: ran it again with only SRS/TACVIEW left in MODS folder.  Nicky just keeps going south and starts a big circle around the carrier.  I fire 1st JSOW, order him to fire 2nd, he claims he does (but from the Tacview he's already circling carrier and doesn't).  About 15 minutes after he "fired" Harriers call "going in for BDA" and then stop talking.  2nd set co-ordinates would also have been a miss, so I used ATFLIR to find one of the targets and fired at it.  Once destroyed the Harriers gave 3rd set co-ordinates.

Edited October 29, 2023 by rob10

[baltic_dragon]

Hey! I've heavily modified this mission and it is now fixed, should be out together with the whole Raven One overhaul in November patch.