correct as is TWS designates a contact no matter what

[Razor18]

Just finished a group mission, and everybody experienced like in TWS the radar will lock up something even if you don't even touch it. And you can not undesignate it. And if you Reset, it goes back to lock something, as if it were ACM mode... Track file too long after a 2 hour MP session, but hope someone can second this with a track file...

[MARLAN_]

If I understand what you're saying then it is intentional/correct, note that a L&S (launch & steering) is not a lock, it is just a designation -- unless you mean TWS is always forcing you into STT, then that would definitely be a bug.

I did some testing, seems fine to me. It automatically (correctly) assigns a L&S, but it is not going into STT. Is it going into STT for you? A short trackfile would be helpful here.

Edited April 13, 2023 by MARLAN_

[Razor18]

No STT, but you can't undesignate it, even if you switch off A/A mode. So if you fly behind lead, you will L&S him no matter what.

[MARLAN_]

That is no bug then. It's okay to have an L&S on friendlies, just don't master arm and shoot them haha. (For example, IRL standard practice is to STT during a rendezvous.

[Lekaa]

same! just did 2 hours mission, had to switch to RWS to click on the reset button, the reset did not work in TWS. wonder why it's there if it does nothing

[MARLAN_]

The purpose of RSET is to reinitialize the mode, not specifically to remove designations.

[Lekaa]

So your saying you cant undesignate L&S as long as your in TWS?

Sounds very strange

Also, reset dont do anything at the moment anyway, so what would it do in practice now in tws?

Edited April 13, 2023 by Lekaa

[Harker]

1 minute ago, Lekaa said:

So your saying you cant undesignate L&S as long as your in TWS?

Sounds very strange

The behavior is correct as is, TWS will always have an L&S, as long as there is at least one available trackfile. At least based on public info. If you enter TWS without an L&S, it'll automatically make Rank 1 the L&S. If you press RSET (which is supposed to just reset targeting) in TWS, it'll return the L&S to the Rank 1 trackfile.

[Lekaa]

9 minutes ago, Harker said:

The behavior is correct as is, TWS will always have an L&S, as long as there is at least one available trackfile. At least based on public info. If you enter TWS without an L&S, it'll automatically make Rank 1 the L&S. If you press RSET (which is supposed to just reset targeting) in TWS, it'll return the L&S to the Rank 1 trackfile.

Thank you for the explanation.

 

It's hard to digest this as it's the way I've used it in the past year or two

[Harker]

8 minutes ago, Lekaa said:

Thank you for the explanation.

 

It's hard to digest this as it's the way I've used it in the past year or two

It was actually introduced that way initially in DCS, then broke some time ago, now it's fixed :).

[Razor18]

So then if I do not want to have an a2a target box on my HUD all the time, I need to remain in RWS until committing?

Edited April 14, 2023 by Razor18

[Harker]

So then if I do not want to have an a2a target box on my HUD all the time, I need to remain in RWS until committing?

Yes. You should maintain a high search volume until you are ready to target anyway, so you can sanitize the airspace in front of you. So, RWS until you're at the 45-50 NM point. You then switch to TWS for targeting and high update rates.

[Lekaa]

55 minutes ago, Harker said:

1 hour ago, Razor18 said:

So then if I do not want to have an a2a target box on my HUD all the time, I need to remain in RWS until committing?

Yes. You should maintain a high search volume until you are ready to target anyway, so you can sanitize the airspace in front of you. So, RWS until you're at the 45-50 NM point. You then switch to TWS for targeting and high update rates.

Is it then the case Harker that when going back to rws, the azimuth will not return to the default saved settings ? 

For instance I have it in 80 and going TWS in 4 bar it will be at 40, and if I go back to rws it will stay at 40 until I change it or switch to another fox and then switch back to the aim120

 

Is it suppose to do so?

[MARLAN_]

Yes, to fully reset your radar do: BST (boresight), select GACQ, AIM-7 then AIM-120, (or desired weapon)

The AIM-7 step was added to get around a bug, may not be needed anymore but I didn't test. This is also what they do IRL as weird as it may sound.

[Lekaa]

23 minutes ago, MARLAN_ said:

Yes, to fully reset your radar do: BST (boresight), select GACQ, AIM-7 then AIM-120, (or desired weapon)

The AIM-7 step was added to get around a bug, may not be needed anymore but I didn't test. This is also what they do IRL as weird as it may sound.

Cool, yeah thats what i do to get back to my 80 in the RWS mode, and i keep the aim-7 for 140 search

[Razor18]

I might mix up some things, but isn't there a "SET" button to store some settings for at least the RWS mode?

Edited April 14, 2023 by Razor18

[Lekaa]

8 minutes ago, Razor18 said:

I might mix up some things, but isn't there a "SET" button to store some settings for at least the RWS mode?

 

The settings will be brought back once re-entering the weapon that you have the settings for. 

Sett is not for RWS only, its for the Aim120

[MarkyMark]

• Fixed: Upon entering TWS, the priority 1 target was not automatically set as the L&S.

from the patch notes, it should be working as intended now. 

31 minutes ago, Lekaa said:

The settings will be brought back once re-entering the weapon that you have the settings for. 

Sett is not for RWS only, its for the Aim120

You can SET for aim9s as well. I usually set aim120 to high PRF, 80nm, 80 degree and 4 bar scan, then switch to aim 9, set to 20 miles,  medium PRF.  Then, whenever you switch weapons it will default to that. 

[MarkyMark]

44 minutes ago, Razor18 said:

I might mix up some things, but isn't there a "SET" button to store some settings for at least the RWS mode?

 

Yes, and it will keep the settings when you switch to TWS mode as well, except for settings outside the TWS abilities (such as, an 80 degree azimuth with a 4 bar vertical scan).  I believe it will default to the closest available setting in that case. 

[Harker]

Is it then the case Harker that when going back to rws, the azimuth will not return to the default saved settings ? 
For instance I have it in 80 and going TWS in 4 bar it will be at 40, and if I go back to rws it will stay at 40 until I change it or switch to another fox and then switch back to the aim120
 
Is it suppose to do so?

That's a separate thing entirely, but the way it's always worked in DCS is that the radar works with overwrites, as in, any change (except acquisition modes) will overwrite the settings, requiring you to set them again. Or you can de-select and re-select your weapon, which will load its own settings.

I don't have specific info on whether or not RWS should resume its old settings, once exiting TWS.

What I do know is that TWS should always choose its max available azimuth for the current elevation bar setting, unless a specific azimuth option has been explicitly selected by the pilot. We don't have that in DCS, for now.

[MarkyMark]

On 4/14/2023 at 1:02 PM, Harker said:

What I do know is that TWS should always choose its max available azimuth for the current elevation bar setting, unless a specific azimuth option has been explicitly selected by the pilot. We don't have that in DCS, for now.

Curious what you mean here, we can narrow up the azimuth to 20 degrees if desired, to increase scan update frequency. 

[Harker]

14 minutes ago, MarkyMark said:

Curious what you mean here, we can narrow up the azimuth to 20 degrees if desired, to increase scan update frequency. 

You can narrow the scan or select a specific azimuth value from the pop-up list/OSB if you want, but unless you do, TWS should always choose the widest azimuth setting available.

If pilot adjusts the azimuth -> TWS keeps that azimuth, as you cycle through 2B, 4B and 6B (if it can, based on the number of bars - azimuth limitations).
If pilot does not adjust the azimuth -> TWS will choose the widest azimuth available, as you cycle through 2B, 4B and 6B.

Again, not available in DCS for now.

[Lekaa]

would someone check something?
When firing in TWS and then turning 180 away, the radar is still using it's memory and having the L&S still in the system, it's pointing toward it and not going away after the 16 seconds for the aging i'm using, anyone notice the same?