ACLS system issue

[markturner1960]

I have started a new thread for a different issue I am having with the ACLS. I have the mission working correctly now. I have flown the ILS & then ACLS approach 4 times now and each time, the same thing happens when I press the NWS to handover to the system, which is that the jet noses down into the sea. 

Up until that point, everything is as it should be and as expected. I have checked for a controls binding issue, but found nothing.

Can someone fly the mission and see if you can get a successful system connect and landing? 

Many thanks

F-14B-ACLS Practice.miz

[Lt_Jaeger]

Hey Mark, you are on FFB, aren't you? 

 

I have the same problem with my Rhino. As soon as you couple, stick position runs away - not the actual, physical stick, but I believe some of the internal figures inside the module. Even disengaging won't save one from a wet grave. 

Posted that issue on the HB discord and hope it will get resolved. Maybe a big report here would help as well and wonder if more FFB User could give it a try. 

[markturner1960]

Yes mate, although mine is a Brunner. Thats very interesting! Maybe something to do with the hardware trimmed stick - I have mine set up so the trim is applied only to the stick, not in DCS....IE, I trim nose down and my FFB joystick physically move forward to a point to where I have trimmed it. I have no buttons bound for trim within DCS as this is supposed to double up the trim. 

I will take a look, re run the mission again and note exactly how my stick is trimmed at handover point and see if I can workout how that relates to what happens in the sim. I will try first re enabling trim within DCS. 

How does your Rhino work with the trimming? 

It would be great if someone with a normal joystick can try the mission and see if it works  OK......

Edited April 28, 2023 by markturner1960

[Lt_Jaeger]

I think the F-14 FFB is one of the best, maybe even the best implementation of the DCS modulus.

So, for me, no need to fiddle with a additional Software, I left it all basic with using the ingame trim. 

 

[scommander2]

Same here, I have tried a week and have not got it to work right.  Landed the plane manually at the end.

By the way, I have Thrustmaster warthog stick.

Edited April 28, 2023 by scommander2

[markturner1960]

18 hours ago, Lt_Jaeger said:

I think the F-14 FFB is one of the best, maybe even the best implementation of the DCS modulus.

So, for me, no need to fiddle with a additional Software, I left it all basic with using the ingame trim. 

 

Not familiar with the Rhino, but that has its own software surely? That you need to use with the stick? Does it use native DCS DX for the FFB? With the Brunner, using their software does not override whatever native FFB effects there are in each module......for example, on modules with little or no FFB support, you cant make the stick judder or shake on buffet etc. But what you can do is adjust the way the force scales to speed, the strength of the force, and importantly for me, the hardware trim. I am pretty sure in the real jet, if you trim the jet, the stick moves to the trimmed position. Thats all the hardware trim does. And with different profiles for different modules, you can set the stick to work like the jet you are flying. Hornet for example does not do that due to the FCS so on my Hornet profile, stick does not move when I trim.....

[Lt_Jaeger]

3 hours ago, markturner1960 said:

Not familiar with the Rhino, but that has its own software surely? That you need to use with the stick? Does it use native DCS DX for the FFB? With the Brunner, using their software does not override whatever native FFB effects there are in each module......for example, on modules with little or no FFB support, you cant make the stick judder or shake on buffet etc. But what you can do is adjust the way the force scales to speed, the strength of the force, and importantly for me, the hardware trim. I am pretty sure in the real jet, if you trim the jet, the stick moves to the trimmed position. Thats all the hardware trim does. And with different profiles for different modules, you can set the stick to work like the jet you are flying. Hornet for example does not do that due to the FCS so on my Hornet profile, stick does not move when I trim.....

The rhino you can basically run without any additional software, at least in DCS.For sure it comes with a configuration tool.

There is an additional background tool, which will provide effects not implemented in DCS which is still under development and is supposed to work in MSFS soon as well. 

 

Since I fly the F-14 almost exclusively, I don't need that tool, though. The trim function is implemented as you described it. No need for hardware trim, since the stick moves with the ingame trim already. In case of modules not providing such functionality, it can be done as you describe. 

[markturner1960]

Are you able to run the stick without FFB, to see if same thing happens?

[RustBelt]

It’s a known FFB issue. When ever heatblur gets around to buying @fat creason (or was it @Naquaii a new stick (rhino would be best) it will get fixed, as I understand it they are between FFB sticks right now thanks to the decades of FFB patent squatters killing the market. But that’s over now.

Edited April 30, 2023 by RustBelt

[Lt_Jaeger]

On 4/30/2023 at 7:20 AM, markturner1960 said:

Are you able to run the stick without FFB, to see if same thing happens?

Not sure, would need to check if that's possible. 

[markturner1960]

I tried using my stick without the CLS2 software connected, not sure if that means its NOT working with FFB, but the same thing happens. 

[markturner1960]

Hi Heatblur people, is there any update on looking into this issue? Nearly 9 months since reported. I have moved to a Rhino stick now and the issue persists sadly. I understand you are all super busy, but......would love to be able to start using the ACLS system. And many people are now using FFB sticks.....

Thank you! 

[Shadok]

Hi,

this issue is still here since july 2022:

Have you find a way to get out this rabbit hole? Or tried to look at least?

Yes, I'm a little disappointed.

Edited January 21, 2024 by Shadok