DCS: WWII Assets Pack - B-17G Livery Competition

[Helles Belle]

Entry for the B-17G Competition.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3332589/

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Entry for the B-17G Competition.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3332588/

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Entry for the B-17G Competition.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3332587/

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Entry for the B-17G Competition.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3332586/

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[Helles Belle]

Entry for the B-17G Competition.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3332585/

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Entry for the B-17G Competition.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3332584/

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Entry for the B-17G Competition.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3332583/

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[Aqil Huseynov]

3 hours ago, Helles Belle said:

Entry for the B-17G Competition.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3332585/

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Entry for the B-17G Competition.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3332584/

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Entry for the B-17G Competition.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3332583/

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all of them are perfect

[Warlord64]

Wow.... Helles Belle

These are awesome Buddy

 

Edited August 16, 2023 by Warlord64

[Boosterdog]

@Helles Belle  nice work. Same for all the skins posted so far. Whatever and whoever gets the prizes this comp has been a real boost for the B17 and asset pack. 

[II.JG1_Vonrd]

@Helles Belle super impressive in both quantity and (especially) quality! 

Just one slight question r.e. Bit O' Lace. Wondering why you have included de-ice boots? I haven't seen any photos with them installed. 

Regardless, superb work Sir! 

[scorch71]

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3332604/

Edited August 18, 2023 by scorch71

[Slippa]

I couldn’t pick a winner here myself. They’re all looking great so the community’s the winner ultimately.

Well done all and thanks for working on them, especially given the awkwardness with the file thingy.

[Warlord64]

12 hours ago, scorch71 said:

Link Pending

Another Beauty 

[Boosterdog]

Does anyone know what is written in the yellow section and what the stencilling says immediately below that in this area?

 

[Warlord64]

3 hours ago, Boosterdog said:

Does anyone know what is written in the yellow section and what the stencilling says immediately below that in this area?

 

Hi Boosterdog

Found This on another B-17 

Hope this helps

[scorch71]

@Boosterdog Can't wait to see your Swamp Fire, it's looking great so far 

 

[Boosterdog]

13 minutes ago, Warlord64 said:

Hi Boosterdog

Found This on another B-17 

Hope this helps

You BEAUTIFUL man!!  Thank you!!

14 minutes ago, scorch71 said:

@Boosterdog Can't wait to see your Swamp Fire, it's looking great so far 

 

Thanks fella. I was going to to 99 missions and 100 mission skins but seeing as we alreay got the 100 I'll stick

[II.JG1_Vonrd]

Note: I have updated Louie the Creep. Added "CUT HERE FOR EMERGENCY RESCUE" placards with @Helles Belle permission to more closely match his beautiful Bit O' Lace (they are the same airframe, Louie begat Lace  ). Thank you Sir!

[Mike Busutil]

Can I guy like me get a copy of those placard files too?

[II.JG1_Vonrd]

5 hours ago, Mike Busutil said:

Can I guy like me get a copy of those placard files too?

Since it was based on @Helles Belle research, he would have to approve. Honestly, I'm not sure if they were actually that widespread. I have seen only one photo that confirms them ("Bit O' Lace"). I personally don't want to see them included on any skins without photographic evidence of their actual existence.

[Helles Belle]

WIP

[Boosterdog]

@Helles Belle would you mind sharing the hex code of the Olive Drab used?

[Boosterdog]

Finally progressed into the game. Couple more days of fine tuning to go!

 

 

[Mike Busutil]

Joker was updated with a few small details. https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3332455/

 

She was then escorted back home by Warchief.

[Helles Belle]

Entry for competition

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3332636/

Her claim to fame is her 157 Combat Missions which is considered the most of any other Heavy Bomber in the ETO.

Edited August 20, 2023 by Helles Belle

[Boosterdog]

Into the weeds again now gents with another question.

De-icing boots - I know some were removed when danaged because of drag, often leaving bare metal. Im also aware of centres in the UK where the boots were removed before the aircraft was assigned. Im not aware the boots were ever left off at the factory. 

 Looking at images of Swamp Fire  Im seeing chips along the leading edges were boot would sit (as well as an annoying difference in the camo demarcation line from the one ibe done).  The rear Horizonal stab is also either painted or partially booted with a either bare metal patch repair  or partial boot removal.

So my question is/are - 

Has anyone got examples of the area under the boot being repainted after removal? 

Do boots come in section or as a single unit?

and

should boots really be showng bare metal "chips"

 

Thank you

[II.JG1_Vonrd]

From a plastic modeler's forum: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/216495-b-17-de-icer-boots/

Terryt is correct, the boots were applied over the leading edge. They were rubber with a series of bladders inside which allowed them to be inflated and deinflated (is that a word?). The metal under the boot was not painted to allow it to move around some as it cycled. So if they were removed from a camoed aircraft, the area would be natural metal. As for Miami Clipper, I do not know why the leading edge would have been painted yellow. It would not have been painted over the boots, but perhaps they painted the exposed metal with yellow chromate to protect it or maybe it was just painted yellow so the crew chief could ID his bird at a distance (this is reportedly why "Shilaylee" of the 100th BG sported white wall tires). The edge of the boot had holes in it and when the metal fairing strips were screwed down, the boots were held in place. The first picture shows how the boot was attached to the tubes that were used to inflate/deflate and in the area circled, you can just make out the holes for securing it. The second diagram shows the left outboard boot (item 1) and the fairing strips that held it in place (items 3 thru 11). Hope this makes sense! Mark M is also correct, it was a common practice but by all means not all inclusive.

 

I have extensive experience with installation and removable of de-ice boots on modern aircraft. On these they are adhered to the wing leading edge with contact cement (3M 1300L) or are "peel 'n stick" (Fastboots). They are difficult to remove and usually an agressive solvent (naptha or MEK) are used to loosen them and remove glue residue. Modern paint finishes resist these solvents but I'm pretty sure that WW2 vintage paint would be removed by the solvent, thus leaving bare aluminum.

However, as noted above, the B-17 boots were held on with edge fairing metal strips (probably held down with PK screws) and they were applied over bare metal. I have seen similar boots on a C-47 / DC3. I suspect that the boots were installed before painting the aircraft. O, once the boots were removed in the field, the leading edges would be bare metal. I assume that the decision would be made (maybe by the squadron commander?, the individual aircraft commander?, the crew chief?) to repaint or leave bare. The holes from the PK screws were probably filled with blank rivets (or maybe with filler).

Chipping of the paint may occur along the paint line. 

I have been unable to find good photographic evidence but most of what we do as skinners is based on assumption and what we think looks authentic. 

 

On another note... does anyone know of any official documentation of the required external placards / stencils? In modern aircraft they are listed in Chapter 11 of the Approved Flight Manual (AFM), the Illustrated Parts Catalog (IPC) and / or the Maintenance Manual. Did the Army Air Corps have something similar? Does anyone have copies?

[Boosterdog]

@II.JG1_Vonrd  cheers mate

 

ah.....if only id known this 7 hours ago.......

 

 

[MAXsenna]

2 hours ago, II.JG1_Vonrd said:

inflated and deinflated (is that a word?).

Deflated.