Wanted : F-15A, F-16 MLU, F-16 BLK40,BLK32

[lee1hy]

And Russia MIG-29s , SU-27s FULL 

[Loukuins]

We all want man, but everyone want F-16C Block 72+ with every experimental weapon out there with 64 AIM-120s

[F-2]

Why a block 32 out of all blocks?

[bies]

F-15A from mid 1970s - great. Cold War superfighter with semi analog/semi digital taste and the most maneuverable F-15 at low speeds. F-15A achieved some half of ~100 F-15 kills.

F-16A MLU - bad, it was 1990s F-16A upgraded to Block 50 standard, just worse Block 50. But original early analog, super nimble, lightweight F-16A Block 1, 5, 10 with small tail, like the one shooting down some 40 Syrian MiGs in dogfights over Bekaa Valley would be great.

F-16C Block 40 - good. Strike aircraft from late Cold War/Desert Storm with LANTIRN suite and WARHUD.

F-16C Block 32 - bad. It was poorer performance derivative of Block 30 which had the best acceleration among F-16 family. Block 30 from late Cold War/Desert Storm, before it gained additional weight later on, would be good.

Soviet (pre Russian) MiG-29 9.12 and Su-27S would be great if possible some day. Pure variants with best kinematic performance, avionics declassified and possible to model in DCS.

Russian (post Soviet) MiG-29 SMT - bad, poor kinematic performance and reduced maneuverability, classified avionics and weapon.

Russian (post Soviet) Su-27SM - 100% totally classified with close to zero data, it would have to be completely unrealistic made up fiction, having nothing in common with real jet, way less realistic than FC3.

[Lyrode]

A F-15A would be superb.

[F-2]

2 hours ago, bies said:

F-15A from mid 1970s - great. Cold War superfighter with semi analog/semi digital taste and the most maneuverable F-15 at low speeds. F-15A achieved some half of ~100 F-15 kills.

F-16A MLU - bad, it was 1990s F-16A upgraded to Block 50 standard, just worse Block 50. But original early analog, super nimble, lightweight F-16A Block 1, 5, 10 with small tail, like the one shooting down some 40 Syrian MiGs in dogfights over Bekaa Valley would be great.

F-16C Block 40 - good. Strike aircraft from late Cold War/Desert Storm with LANTIRN suite and WARHUD.

F-16C Block 32 - bad. It was poorer performance derivative of Block 30 which had the best acceleration among F-16 family. Block 30 from late Cold War/Desert Storm, before it gained additional weight later on, would be good.

Soviet (pre Russian) MiG-29 9.12 and Su-27S would be great if possible some day. Pure variants with best kinematic performance, avionics declassified and possible to model in DCS.

Russian (post Soviet) MiG-29 SMT - bad, poor kinematic performance and reduced maneuverability, classified avionics and weapon.

Russian (post Soviet) Su-27SM - 100% totally classified with close to zero data, it would have to be completely unrealistic made up fiction, having nothing in common with real jet, way less realistic than FC3.

Just some minor grips block 30 has slightly worse acceleration the block 50, about a second subsonic and a bit more supersonic where the F110-ge-100 has some known issues low and fast. The block 50 has the best acceleration but they are close. Block 30 has slightly better turning under comparable loads. Both aircraft are quite close to each other.

 

i wouldn’t say block 32 is bad. Both the block 25 and 32 weigh about as much as a late block 15. The original block 42 is probably the only truely underpowered F-16.

[FlankerKiller]

11 minutes ago, F-2 said:

Just some minor grips block 30 has slightly worse acceleration the block 50, about a second subsonic and a bit more supersonic where the F110-ge-100 has some known issues low and fast. The block 50 has the best acceleration but they are close. Block 30 has slightly better turning under comparable loads.

Limitations, and unique handling makes for a great sim experience. 

[FlankerKiller]

A small tail F-16A would be just awesome. It would fit well with the slew of late cold War assets that are inbound, with the disadvantage of having to survive the forward quarter weapons. But if it gets close to anything other than a Mig-29A it's over. 

F-16C Bolck 40 would be super cool. Low altitude penitrateion at night! Late 80's through mid late 90's technology. 

Combined with the Block 52 we currently have you would have a pretty good representation of the Vipers career. At least until it becomes to classified to model. I for one would definitely pay on day one for the expansion of the Viper lineup. And you could offer the whole pack as one modules to new players. It would be epic ED. 

I would like to see one of the export models that carried Sparrows. I personally love FOX One fights. 

On 7/8/2023 at 9:28 AM, lee1hy said:

And Russia MIG-29s , SU-27s FULL 

SU-27 is not gonna happen. Maybe a Mig-29G. But these jets mostly fed on Mig-21s and 23, sometimes 29s. And of corse the occasional nuclear power plant. 

The best analog to the A model that wr currently have is the Mirage 2000. Going toe to toe with that would be interesting. 

Edited July 9, 2023 by FlankerKiller

[bies]

On 7/9/2023 at 4:08 PM, F-2 said:

i wouldn’t say block 32 is bad. Both the block 25 and 32 weigh about as much as a late block 15. The original block 42 is probably the only truely underpowered F-16.

Block 25 and 32 were not only significantly heavier than non-MLU Block 15, but the worse part of increased weight was the new heavier APG-68 radar and new avionics blocks were placed in the nose. Both F-16A pilots and pilots flying against it in BFM called F-16C "lead nose Vipers", with APG-68 F-16 became nose heavy, significanly reducing its meneuverability.

But even non-MLU Block 15 was already significantly less maneuverable than earlier "small tail" F-16A Block 1, 5, 10 with original leading edge flaps and tail authority, significanly reduced later on and F-16A Block 15 already lost its maneuvering edge over other fighters. Further degrading it with C variant with new avionics and heavier APG-68 radar. Gaining more and more weight with the same small wing to generate lift.

Edited August 2, 2023 by bies