Feedback Thread F-14 Tomcat Patch July 24th 2023 + Hotfix 28/07/2023

[Temetre]

vor 1 Minute schrieb fat creason:

We had too much energy coming off the cat before, which may have caused excessive pitching or rolling right off the cat. At this new slower speed, the whole airplane is more sluggish right after it leaves the boat. Also gives you more time to get the flaps up.

Thats definitely how it felt

Very nice update!

[Gun Jam]

The ground handling of the f14 was always a bit marginal at best it seemed like.. Then after the previous suspension update it was a total disaster. It was harder to land on a runway and stop than land on a boat.

However with this update its a totally new system. Its actually very controllable now and isn't a dice roll. This is the best its ever been. Excellent , five star *****

[IronMike]

Thank you all for the great feedback, we are glad that you are enjoying the update.

Our apologies again about the aim54. Good news, however and presuming all things go well, ED was very kind to look into a hotfix, so that the missing piece for the aim54 can be included and the loft restored as it should be.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Looks like we’re getting a hotfix today!

[IronMike]

Changelog entry for the Aim-54 for today's Hotfix:

DCS World

• Weapons. AIM-54 loft trajectory adjusted

Edited July 28, 2023 by IronMike

[BubiHUN]

1 hour ago, IronMike said:

Changelog entry for the Aim-54 for today's Hotfix:

DCS World

• Weapons. AIM-54 loft trajectory adjusted

 

well that didnt work out again does it. It became even more useless. why  not just revert it back where it was last year spring huh

Edited July 28, 2023 by BubiHUN

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

14 minutes ago, BubiHUN said:

well that didnt work out again does it. It became even more useless.

I just fired 2 Phoenixes and the loft indeed seems to be fixed (as far as I can judge that)
I loaded up 2 Phoenixes in the F-14 IA Caucasus free flight: the first was fired at 60NM from Angels 33 at the Yak-40 (or whatever it is) and hit its target. The 2nd at the Tu-95 from 30NM also at angels 33 was notched (by the looks of it: I followed it in all the way using F6-view) about 5 seconds prior to what would have been impact.

For a short very un-scientific test I'd day it looks to me like the missile behaved as it should: before the patch even shots fired from 75NM at angels 42 never lofted higher than 62k ft.

[IronMike]

17 minutes ago, BubiHUN said:

well that didnt work out again does it. It became even more useless. why  not just revert it back where it was last year spring huh

 

I don't know where you are seeing this. With today's hotfix the performance is pretty much in between the latest OB update and where it was prior to the update. It also carries a tad more oomph in the terminal guidance, with improvements to its notch behavior, and eliminates lofting bugs.

A bit further tweaking is needed, but the difference in performance is small, and from the tests we see more shots connecting.

If you see a deprication in performance, please be so kind and help us visualize with tracks and/or tacviews.

[Up_Above]

nullHello again, thank you for the hotfix. In terms of Kinematics for specifically 70 NM shots that I have previous data on, there is a drastic increase for the better in this hotfix from the 24th patch. In terms of before the 24th update, there seems to be a increase of terminal mach by around 0.05-0.07 mach (tacview not included from before the 24th update). This hotfix seems to do exactly what you have said, just affecting the lofting and terminal guidance. thank you again for continuing to work on these problems.

hotfix 70nm.acmi uupdate 70nm.acmi

[IronMike]

1 hour ago, Up_Above said:

nullHello again, thank you for the hotfix. In terms of Kinematics for specifically 70 NM shots that I have previous data on, there is a drastic increase for the better in this hotfix from the 24th patch. In terms of before the 24th update, there seems to be a increase of terminal mach by around 0.05-0.07 mach (tacview not included from before the 24th update). This hotfix seems to do exactly what you have said, just affecting the lofting and terminal guidance. thank you again for continuing to work on these problems.

hotfix 70nm.acmi 190.14 kB · 0 downloads uupdate 70nm.acmi 262.33 kB · 0 downloads

Thank you for your feedback!

[Kageseigi]

On 7/24/2023 at 10:42 AM, IronMike said:

• Improved AIM-54 notch behavior. 

On 7/24/2023 at 11:23 AM, IronMike said:

the erratice post-notch behavior as the missile pitches up instead of trying to re-acquire the target.

 

Thank you so much for the updates!

By chance, did the AIM-54 gain any notch resistance outside of the mentioned improvements?

[Karon]

17 hours ago, BubiHUN said:

well that didnt work out again does it. It became even more useless. why  not just revert it back where it was last year spring huh

 

Try to repair DCS, there is definitely an improvement and some changes.

Charts here: https://flyandwire.com/2023/07/28/aim-54-phoenix-post-2-8-7-42718-28-07-2023/

[scommander2]

@Karon I have checked your Youtube and I am very appreciate the analysis. So, it sounds ED has a long way to go then...

I thought ED would have a new missile module that will address the most of the current issues, isn't it? 

[Temetre]

Ive been getting blackouts on launch again, though shorter than originally. Anyone else having the issue?

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Yes, a few times but not consistently.

 

[Sideburns]

I am consistently having the blackout on launch, F14A from Forrestal carrier.

[captain_dalan]

On 7/29/2023 at 1:55 AM, Up_Above said:

nullHello again, thank you for the hotfix. In terms of Kinematics for specifically 70 NM shots that I have previous data on, there is a drastic increase for the better in this hotfix from the 24th patch. In terms of before the 24th update, there seems to be a increase of terminal mach by around 0.05-0.07 mach (tacview not included from before the 24th update). This hotfix seems to do exactly what you have said, just affecting the lofting and terminal guidance. thank you again for continuing to work on these problems.

hotfix 70nm.acmi 190.14 kB · 3 downloads uupdate 70nm.acmi 262.33 kB · 3 downloads

Interesting, I found the 35-50 mile shots on hot targets to actually end up about 0.1 mach slower 10 miles from the target (assuming this is the point the missile goes active) then they did before the patch. 

 

 

Edited August 9, 2023 by captain_dalan

[SparrowLT]

One one side i think the cat launch blackouts are gone.. havent had one for a couple days.. launch is also nice now..not suden pitch up or down..

 

 

[fat creason]

I filed a bug report in ED's Jira for the carrier launch blackouts, there's not much else we can do about it. The lower launch speed seemed to help for some reason...

[WarthogOsl]

On 8/8/2023 at 6:00 AM, Temetre said:

Ive been getting blackouts on launch again, though shorter than originally. Anyone else having the issue?

I've only seen a single blackout in maybe 20 launches since the patch.  Typically flying the F-14A with 4-2-2 + tanks loadout

[SparrowLT]

Nope.. scratch the blackouts being gone.. i had to come here and write that after not having them for 3 days and today had 2 in a row with both F-14A and B and with different payloads (one 2 GBU-24s and the other 4 GBU-12s both + 2 9M and 1 7P)

 

so the blackouts are still there... launch attitude is good tough

[fat creason]

4 hours ago, SparrowLT said:

Nope.. scratch the blackouts being gone.. i had to come here and write that after not having them for 3 days and today had 2 in a row with both F-14A and B and with different payloads (one 2 GBU-24s and the other 4 GBU-12s both + 2 9M and 1 7P)

 

so the blackouts are still there... launch attitude is good tough

Feel free to remind them again this is still an issue, I've already let them know.

[captain_dalan]

No blackouts here, though not enough launches to be sure with greater degree of accuracy. Another observation though, are Zone 3 launches in the F-14A no longer possible with 4x2x2x2x loadout? I tried it a couple of times this afternoon on TTI-Syria, and i kept ending up testing the salinization of the Mediterranean, so i ended up launching on Zone 5. 

[sLYFa]

There is no such thing as a zone3 launch. You may take-off with at least zone2 from ashore but its always max AB from the boat.

[WarthogOsl]

On 8/16/2023 at 2:01 AM, sLYFa said:

There is no such thing as a zone3 launch. You may take-off with at least zone2 from ashore but its always max AB from the boat.

Really?  I used to use full AB for the cat, then someone said to use zone 3, so I've been doing that.  I suspect others have heard the same thing, though I can't recall the source.