acknowledged JDAM Rearm & Refuel without any GBU's changed, erases JDAM PP programming.

[Captain Orso]

The title pretty much says it all.

I'm on MP server.

Enter F/A-18C hot.

Rearm & Refuel, adding 8*GBU-38 and a centerline fuel tank.

Start GBU alignment and go into the kitchen and come back.

Timer is gone.

Program all 4 stations with different targets for each bomb, using PP1 and PP2.

Double check every Station and PP1 & 2 to be sure everything is programmed.

Because I've been sitting on the ground for god knows how long, with the engines running, while I program everything, I call the ground crew to refuel--of course I cannot tell them to only refuel, because I am retarded like a snakeye.

I'm watching like a hawk, the DDI display with the SMS page -> JDAM View -> MSN (left where as it was after STEPping thru every station to check each one). Right when the crew chief says rearming complete, STA8 and PP1 disappear and along with it the programming displayed below has also disappeared.

Stepping thru every station and looking at PP1 & 2 for each shows that ALL PROGRAMMING HAS BEEN ERASED!!!!

Curse words uttered omitted for brevity.

[Tholozor]

Engine limitation, not a bug. If the ground crew gets told to rearm, then that's what they do.

[Captain Orso]

The DCS App erases the data I spent a relatively large amount of time and effort to input and control for correctness for no reason. That is a bug.

Even if I dropped every bomb on target and flew back and got a new set of GBU-38's, the JDAM programming in the internal computers should in no way be erased. The system has an OSB for doing that if the pilot decides it is necessary.

It can hardly be any more obviously a bug.

[MAXsenna]

This is obviously a bug/limitation. And I know this might be a workaround for some and not a solution. You can request refueling only with VAICOM, (which is now free), if you have VoiceAttack.

Cheers!

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[Captain Orso]

3 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

This is obviously a bug/limitation. And I know this might be a workaround for some and not a solution. You can request refueling only with VAICOM, (which is now free), if you have VoiceAttack.

Cheers!

Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk
 

I would surely like to know how that is possible, since VoiceAttack is only a voice interpreter with an hierarchical scripting framework which only outputs menu point activations. If through VIACOM you can say, "refuel me chief" for "top her up, chief" it can still only access the comms menu -> crew chief -> refuel & rearm - or do you know something of which I am completely unaware? I would sure love to know what it is. 

[Lord Vader]

Hi @Captain Orso

I won't comment on third party logics.

Regarding DCS, like it was said above, whenever you request refuelling you are opening the Rearm and Refuelling window. Therefore, when you press ok, even if you don't change the loadout, it will... rearm and refuel the plane. This instruction is meant to be simplified, to make sure the servicing is done only once. There could be changes in the future to make refuelling independent if nothing is changed in the weapon options, for example. I will pass the suggestion to the team.

[BIGNEWY]

I have moved to wish list for now as this is not a bug. 

thank you

[MAXsenna]

I would surely like to know how that is possible, since VoiceAttack is only a voice interpreter with an hierarchical scripting framework which only outputs menu point activations. If through VIACOM you can say, "refuel me chief" for "top her up, chief" it can still only access the comms menu -> crew chief -> refuel & rearm - or do you know something of which I am completely unaware? I would sure love to know what it is. 

I would surely like to know how that is possible, since VoiceAttack is only a voice interpreter with an hierarchical scripting framework which only outputs menu point activations. If through VIACOM you can say, "refuel me chief" for "top her up, chief" it can still only access the comms menu -> crew chief -> refuel & rearm - or do you know something of which I am completely unaware? I would sure love to know what it is. 

VAICOM (Virtual AI Comms, Viacom is a media company), is a plugin for VoiceAttack that does not use the radio menu. It only uses VoiceAttack as a go between to the Microsoft Speech Recognition engine included in Windows, which does the actual speech-to-text. (VoiceAttack in it self can't do speech-to-text). VoiceAttack gets the text back and compares it to the speech commands in the profile(s). If it fits the VAICOM keywords, the plugin will be invoked and the commands passed on to VAICOM which sends it directly to DCS. No keystrokes are used. So basically I just say, "Chief, request refueling", and if it's friendly base with all the requirements, chief will comply and fill me to the brim without me ever opening the rearming window. There's no command to stop it, apart from driving away though. The radio menu is not invoked at all. Which means I can call inbound to any airfield without ever worrying about where in the radio menu it is listed. As long as I'm not to far away though. Can still place a call, but won't get a reply.
There are more commands/items I can't remember which exist in the radio menu, but are invisible to the user. Like "inbound straight, overhead approach, straight approach, instrument approach", but it seems they have never been fully implemented in the SIM. I have high hopes for the new ATC!

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Hi @Captain Orso
I won't comment on third party logics.
Regarding DCS, like it was said above, whenever you request refuelling you are opening the Rearm and Refuelling window. Therefore, when you press ok, even if you don't change the loadout, it will... rearm and refuel the plane. This instruction is meant to be simplified, to make sure the servicing is done only once. There could be changes in the future to make refuelling independent if nothing is changed in the weapon options, for example. I will pass the suggestion to the team.

Just enable the command in the radio menu. It's already there in the background, and it works.

Cheers!

Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk

[Captain Orso]

18 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

 

 

 

VAICOM (Virtual AI Comms, Viacom is a media company), is a plugin for VoiceAttack that does not use the radio menu. It only uses VoiceAttack as a go between to the Microsoft Speech Recognition engine included in Windows, which does the actual speech-to-text. (VoiceAttack in it self can't do speech-to-text). VoiceAttack gets the text back and compares it to the speech commands in the profile(s). If it fits the VAICOM keywords, the plugin will be invoked and the commands passed on to VAICOM which sends it directly to DCS. No keystrokes are used. So basically I just say, "Chief, request refueling", and if it's friendly base with all the requirements, chief will comply and fill me to the brim without me ever opening the rearming window. There's no command to stop it, apart from driving away though. The radio menu is not invoked at all. Which means I can call inbound to any airfield without ever worrying about where in the radio menu it is listed. As long as I'm not to far away though. Can still place a call, but won't get a reply.
There are more commands/items I can't remember which exist in the radio menu, but are invisible to the user. Like "inbound straight, overhead approach, straight approach, instrument approach", but it seems they have never been fully implemented in the SIM. I have high hopes for the new ATC!

Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk

Just enable the command in the radio menu. It's already there in the background, and it works.

Cheers!

Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk
 

 

 

 

It seams that to get DCS to behave that it doesn't leave you with migraines you need independent 3rd-party tools with secret information, and asking to have the deficiency at least recognized, you get told everything works as it should and that I, as the customer, am at fault, but I can ask the manufacturer if they might update their product to fit to my unreasonable expectations. It seems a twisted world we live in.

Many thanks for the Infor, MAXsenna. I believe from the forums to have read, the source for up-to-date info and access to downloads for VIACOM is thru their Discord channel. Is that correct?

[MAXsenna]

4 hours ago, Captain Orso said:

It seams that to get DCS to behave that it doesn't leave you with migraines you need independent 3rd-party tools with secret information, and asking to have the deficiency at least recognized, you get told everything works as it should and that I, as the customer, am at fault, but I can ask the manufacturer if they might update their product to fit to my unreasonable expectations. It seems a twisted world we live in.

I just think there are many hidden items in the code not all the devs know about.

4 hours ago, Captain Orso said:

Many thanks for the Infor, MAXsenna. I believe from the forums to have read, the source for up-to-date info and access to downloads for VIACOM is thru their Discord channel. Is that correct?

Github actually, is the best way to download now. Read the manual! But if you need assistance, you can't help here on the forums, the Discord or just PM me.
I'm MAXsenna in Discord as well.
The next version will have auto update enabled.

Cheers!

https://github.com/Penecruz/VAICOMPRO-Community/releases/tag/v2.8.5.0

Edited September 15, 2023 by MAXsenna
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