stuttering on 2.9

[Nimbur]

hi guys please try this, works for amd but also nvidea. it helped me personally a lot to fix the stuttering. it seems to be somehow related to the drivers as well.

 

 

https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/disabling-mpo-multiplace-overlay-can-improve-some-desktop-apps-flicker-or-stutter-issues.445266/

 

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5157

 

please give me feedback if it works so that we can spread the word.

Edited January 19, 2024 by Nimbur

[King Jewsh]

Had a nice steady 50-60 fps in vr prior to all this nonsense, now am at 20-30 and have massive stuttering. I previously played on medium settings, but even after turning down all my settings to the bare minimum I saw no change in performance. Additionally, both my GPU and memory usage have drastically increased, both in MT and ST. The numbers in the attached photo are from just sitting in the menu. I've tried every fix I've seen on the forums, but nothing has helped. I did the suggestion to stop trying to use MT and switch back to ST and that's helped a little bit although still not as good as it was before, but playable now. Guess I'll just play ST until a better fix comes out. Thanks y'all!!

 

Edited January 21, 2024 by King Jewsh

[Nedum]

On 1/15/2024 at 5:21 AM, Lixma 06 said:

Quick vid on what I'm seeing. Textures on MED, terrain textures on LOW, 8GB VRAM.

Seems to load textures (slowly) at close range, and then 'forget' them once you've flown away.

 

 

Hi,

 

we need much more information about your system (CPU, GPU, max RAM) and your personal DCS system settings. You are using V-Sync, which, If it can't hit the target FPS (60 FPS in your case) will add stutter. But without knowing your system (CPU, GPU, RAM) and DCS system settings, it's hard to give some hints.

My first hint would be: disable V-Sync and look if and how that will affect your issue. 8 GB VRAM is on the low end for DCS (depends on your DCS settings).

I would try to set all the in game settings to low and, if that helps to rise the settings step by step, to find the troublemaker.

Edited January 22, 2024 by Nedum

[Lixma 06]

Found a temporary fix while scouring Youtube for answers.

The video below starts with the whole stuttering mess on full display. Halfway through I pause DCS, go to DCS's affinity settings in task manager, turn off Core 1, turn it back on again, and then go back to DCS and un-pause. HALLELUJAH - beautifully smooth gameplay!

Unfortunately you have to go through this ritual every time you start a new mission, but it's infinitely better than nothing. Hopefully the next patch will cure this for ever!!??

Here's the video that broke the case wide open, so to speak. Many thanks to cptVLK for the solution in the comments.

 

[Akula]

On 12/16/2023 at 6:28 AM, LOW_Hitman said:

Iam with you, there are a lot of useless services within windows. But also the impact on the system isn't as big as it was years ago. In a modern PC with Multicore-processors, Hyperthreading,  NVME's and SSDs the impact is not compareable to a system 15 years ago and so the benefit by turning those services off.

Windows 10 was the biggest jump thats for sure. Iam not sure if i should upgrade my system to W11 - read a lot about the "better" management of threaded cores. Some users report about performance increase .. other report negative performance within games.

It whould be very kind if you could share data to show everyone what the impact was - before and after fps and so on after deactivating powerservice for example.

If I were you I'd try some of the tips AFTER some research and quite honestly, it doesn't take much research to find out if a change or "tweak" in Windows such as disabling the scary "power" thingy in Windows will brick your rig. If it doesn't work you can always revert back. I've been using and building my own rigs since 1995 and I have probably run into a Windows setting that royally F-ed up Windows to the point where I had to reinstall the OS in it's entirety, ONCE. Since 1995 it has happened ONCE. I'm 52 so yeh maybe it happened twice as my memory is so fuzzy in this context due to this hardly happening. 
If it scares you and you don't wanna do it then don't but you need to understand that the days of Windows completely dying on you because of ONE change to a setting the DEVS  created as part of the OS are long gone. 

On 12/16/2023 at 6:28 AM, LOW_Hitman said:

 

 

 

 

[LOW_Hitman]

vor 11 Stunden schrieb Akula:

If I were you I'd try some of the tips AFTER some research and quite honestly, it doesn't take much research to find out if a change or "tweak" in Windows such as disabling the scary "power" thingy in Windows will brick your rig. If it doesn't work you can always revert back. I've been using and building my own rigs since 1995 and I have probably run into a Windows setting that royally F-ed up Windows to the point where I had to reinstall the OS in it's entirety, ONCE. Since 1995 it has happened ONCE. I'm 52 so yeh maybe it happened twice as my memory is so fuzzy in this context due to this hardly happening. 
If it scares you and you don't wanna do it then don't but you need to understand that the days of Windows completely dying on you because of ONE change to a setting the DEVS  created as part of the OS are long gone. 

 

It whould be very kind if you can share some benchmarks or other data to show us the impact of such system changes. Those advices to do a research are very kind: reddit, google or other expertise forums full of people with much more knowledge and experience compared to the delevopers.

Don't get me wrong but those advices without data that underlines the impact are not helpful, and this has nothing to do with beeing afraid. Everyones system is different, everyone has changed settings and all those magic tricks can cause different behaviours on a system.

And - for example the reason for my posting - stopping the windows power service to prevent the power saving settings will give you not a single fps or a smoother gameplay if you've already set maximum performance in your power and graphic settings.

Its absolutely wonderfull how helpful all members are within this forum and how we help each other, but please, if you give such advices:

- show the impact as written above (benchmarks, data, before and after changing settings,..)

- share a link where othres can read your research - the benefits and possible issues

And i personally whould never give such an advice when there is a little chance that someone will f. up his system to make ONE Game run "smoother"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 12, 2024 by LOW_Hitman

[Akula]

@LOW_Hitman
The changes you make are reversible and won’t brick your rig. You do what you want. Your back handed comment is unnecessary and and misguided.

Try to help people and this is the <profanity> they spit at you. 

Edited February 24, 2024 by Akula

[Hiob]

On 2/12/2024 at 9:49 AM, LOW_Hitman said:

It whould be very kind if you can share some benchmarks or other data to show us the impact of such system changes. Those advices to do a research are very kind: reddit, google or other expertise forums full of people with much more knowledge and experience compared to the delevopers.

And - for example the reason for my posting - stopping the windows power service to prevent the power saving settings will give you not a single fps or a smoother gameplay if you've already set maximum performance in your power and graphic settings.

Its absolutely wonderfull how helpful all members are within this forum and how we help each other, but please, if you give such advices:

- show the impact as written above (benchmarks, data, before and after changing settings,..)

- share a link where othres can read your research - the benefits and possible issues

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First of all, if you had carefully read my post, you would have seen that I gave a short explanation on why disabling the power service may have a positive impact on  (micro-)stuttering. (Never claimed it would boost average or maximum fps)

Second, No I won‘t jump through your hoops. When you have trust issues or lack the confidence for trial and error, do your own research. I won’t lift another finger for you, simply because I don’t like your attitude. 

[zerO_crash]

On 2/12/2024 at 9:49 AM, LOW_Hitman said:

It whould be very kind if you can share some benchmarks or other data to show us the impact of such system changes. Those advices to do a research are very kind: reddit, google or other expertise forums full of people with much more knowledge and experience compared to the delevopers.

Don't get me wrong but those advices without data that underlines the impact are not helpful, and this has nothing to do with beeing afraid. Everyones system is different, everyone has changed settings and all those magic tricks can cause different behaviours on a system.

And - for example the reason for my posting - stopping the windows power service to prevent the power saving settings will give you not a single fps or a smoother gameplay if you've already set maximum performance in your power and graphic settings.

Its absolutely wonderfull how helpful all members are within this forum and how we help each other, but please, if you give such advices:

- show the impact as written above (benchmarks, data, before and after changing settings,..)

- share a link where othres can read your research - the benefits and possible issues

And i personally whould never give such an advice when there is a little chance that someone will f. up his system to make ONE Game run "smoother"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, stopping the "windows power service" will have a significant effect on your performance in the form of disabling "core parking", which is an underlying function of that service, and one that is known to have caused stuttering for those using Windows 11. That is just an example, but there are other energy saving, "carbon reducing", measures which Microsoft forces on you, even with the general power plan set to "Maximum Performance". Another service which was introduced with Windows 11, was the TPM 2.0 security protocol, which in essence, is a protocol meant to make it more difficult for a potential security breach (i.e. hacker) to access any files that you might have encrypted. On a private consumer basis, this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to have as a requirement. This is really a protocol meant for corporate-level computing. Still, Microsoft forcing this on you through Windows 11, is eating 3-5% of your CPU just for that "feature" alone. Again, it makes no sense at all, to have it running. Yet another thing to disable on your Windows 11 to free up resources.

 

As to your approach, baby, you are misunderstaning things here. You do not get to make demands as to the quality of advice someone posts here. It is given, that when someone offers free advice, it is your decision to either accept it or not. Still, the provider of that information has spent time and work to help you. It is also understood nowadays, that with the variations and complexity of hardware/software, absolutely no solution ever posted, will grant you anything. Everything is basically at your own discretion. If you are not skilled in computer use, or don´t run a system solely for DCS, then I would not go into the disable-services game. However, if that is the only purpose of your system, then it might be worth checking into. Regardless of your decision, the preferred etiquette in such instance, is a decent "Thank you". Afterall, no one is paid to help here.

Edited February 25, 2024 by zerO_crash

[LOW_Hitman]

vor 9 Stunden schrieb Hiob:

First of all, if you had carefully read my post, you would have seen that I gave a short explanation on why disabling the power service may have a positive impact on  (micro-)stuttering. (Never claimed it would boost average or maximum fps)

Second, No I won‘t jump through your hoops. When you have trust issues or lack the confidence for trial and error, do your own research. I won’t lift another finger for you, simply because I don’t like your attitude. 

this is getting in a way with absolutely no output for someone. I understand that you are mad because i asked for a benchmark and data to show us the output of your expert tips but i dont discuss on such a basis with you anymore. You dont like my attitude? I dont care

[LOW_Hitman]

vor 9 Stunden schrieb zerO_crash:

Actually, stopping the "windows power service" will have a significant effect on your performance in the form of disabling "core parking", which is an underlying function of that service, and one that is known to have caused stuttering for those using Windows 11. That is just an example, but there are other energy saving, "carbon reducing", measures which Microsoft forces on you, even with the general power plan set to "Maximum Performance". Another service which was introduced with Windows 11, was the TPM 2.0 security protocol, which in essence, is a protocol meant to make it more difficult for a potential security breach (i.e. hacker) to access any files that you might have encrypted. On a private consumer basis, this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to have as a requirement. This is really a protocol meant for corporate-level computing. Still, Microsoft forcing this on you through Windows 11, is eating 3-5% of your CPU just for that "feature" alone. Again, it makes no sense at all, to have it running. Yet another thing to disable on your Windows 11 to free up resources.

 

As to your approach, baby, you are misunderstaning things here. You do not get to make demands as to the quality of advice someone posts here. It is given, that when someone offers free advice, it is your decision to either accept it or not. Still, the provider of that information has spent time and work to help you. It is also understood nowadays, that with the variations and complexity of hardware/software, absolutely no solution ever posted, will grant you anything. Everything is basically at your own discretion. If you are not skilled in computer use, or don´t run a system solely for DCS, then I would not go into the disable-services game. However, if that is the only purpose of your system, then it might be worth checking into. Regardless of your decision, the preferred etiquette in such instance, is a decent "Thank you". Afterall, no one is paid to help here.

 

You are calling someone baby and talk about beeing thankful? No further discussion with persons like you.

Edited February 25, 2024 by LOW_Hitman

[zerO_crash]

I call you baby, because your attitude is inadequate, and quite frankly childish! I, am not the one asking for help either! You seem to have a lot to understand about the dynamics of a forum and what doing a favour means. No one is mad here, therefore, you understand very little. No one claimed to be an "expert" either. You have a communication problem, that comes across very clearly.

 

To ban list it is.

Edited February 25, 2024 by zerO_crash

[Akula]

On 2/25/2024 at 5:26 AM, zerO_crash said:

I call you baby, because your attitude is inadequate, and quite frankly childish! I, am not the one asking for help either! You seem to have a lot to understand about the dynamics of a forum and what doing a favour means. No one is mad here, therefore, you understand very little. No one claimed to be an "expert" either. You have a communication problem, that comes across very clearly.

 

To ban list it is.

 

He's just proving you right with every comment. Anyhoo, don’t mean to skew this discussion. Carry on lads

Edited February 26, 2024 by Akula