Help should I buy 4070TI or 7900XTX?

[Flameout777]

Finally starting  to build new Pc to play DCS in VR on HP Reverb

I’m upgraded from I7 6700k  + Asus Maximus Formula + 32GB DDR4 Ram + Asus Strix 1080TI  to an AMD 7800X3D + Asus Strix X670 E-E + 64GB S-Skill Trident DDR5 6000 Ram which  I’ve just purchased however still need to buy a Graphics Card.

What should I get ??? would love a 4090 but prices are crazy so I was considering a 4070TI or 7900XTX? Or should I just make do with my 1080TI until I can get a 4090?

Most grateful for any recommendation

[Art-J]

With 4090s getting snatched for new gold rush (AI farms) recently, their availability (and thus pricing) for us gamers will probably be getting worse rather than improve in near future  .  Waiting for them might not be the best solution then.

I don't have experience with these two cards you mention, though. Look around this and VR forum section, some folks use them.

[CptBligh]

It's hard for me to recommend the current gen GPUs when they have now been out for a year with no real decrease in price.  Maybe the 4xxx Super releases in January will provide some pressure. 

I'm biased, but if you can still find a 6900/6950xt or RTX 3080 in the $500 range it's a pretty decent value to get by until hopefully the RTX 5xxx.  Dropping $2k on a 4090 at this date just doesn't make sense to me.

[Flameout777]

Thanks for the replies, I'm considering the 7800XTX  as its half the price of a 4090 and because of the 24gb VRAM but read mixed reviews regarding its performance in VR. 

[CptBligh]

My 6900XT has been fine in DCS and IL2 though it could always be better of course.  My biggest issue seeing that you're also a Reverb issue is that the Varjo headsets only work with team green if that is a possible upgrade consideration in the future.  I would've already pulled the trigger on the Aero myself but I'm kinda in the same boat as you right now regarding GPU.

[TED]

I’m using a 7900xtx and love it. It’s great for dcs and the vram is plenty. Prior to that I used a 6900xt which also performed very well. Personally I prefer the amd adrenaline software as well over nvidia. 
I fly only in vr and used a Pimax 8kx and now a pico 4 on godlike settings without any issues and fly mostly liberation/retribution which are very intensive on the system. 

[Aviators]

AMD 7900xtx

[blkspade]

A 4070ti isn't anywhere near remotely as good a 7900XTX. I have the 7900XTX myself, and testing a 4090 for a squadmates build. We both have a Reveb G2. I'm not especially impressed by the 4090 for the cost.

[Flameout777]

Yeah I think I'm going to bin the 4070Ti idea and wait now to Jan to see what the new Super cards are like then decide.

[Joker Shadow]

On 12/16/2023 at 1:41 PM, TED said:

I’m using a 7900xtx and love it. It’s great for dcs and the vram is plenty. Prior to that I used a 6900xt which also performed very well. Personally I prefer the amd adrenaline software as well over nvidia. 
I fly only in vr and used a Pimax 8kx and now a pico 4 on godlike settings without any issues and fly mostly liberation/retribution which are very intensive on the system. 

what's your CPU? is it also AMD?

[SharpeXB]

They look about equal depending on the game. Small advantage to the 4070 Ti including price. 

https://technical.city/en/video/Radeon-RX-7900-XTX-vs-GeForce-RTX-4070-Ti#benchmarks

[TED]

18 hours ago, Joker Shadow said:

what's your CPU? is it also AMD?

Yes. I have a 5800x3d.

[Flameout777]

So I've been patiently waiting for the Super cards to arrive, now (reading the reviews) it seems to me the 4080 super is not much of an improvement over the 4080 but the 4070TI super is better than the 4070TI.  Is that good enough to run a Quest 3?  Is the 4080 much better than 4070TI Super?  Just cannot afford a 4090.

Edited February 2, 2024 by Flameout777

[diego999]

1 hour ago, Flameout777 said:

So I've been patiently waiting for the Super cards to arrive, now (reading the reviews) it seems to me the 4080 super is not much of an improvement over the 4080 but the 4070TI super is better than the 4070TI.  Is that good enough to run a Quest 3?  Is the 4080 much better than 4070TI Super?  Just cannot afford a 4090.

 

Super 4xxx cards ended up being meh at best. It depends on at which price can you get the card you want.

4070ti is enough for a Quest 3, as long as you don't try to run at max settings. Those 16GB VRAM are great for DCS at a (reasonable?) price.

 

[Pilotasso]

The only 2 good NVIDIA cards are 4080 and 4090, the later is more so because it has enough VRAM for the foreseeable future. The 4070 cards IMHO are fine for present games but they don't have enough left in the tank to last much past that (so to force you to buy a new one next). In reality NVIDIA markets them as 70 class cards and prices them as 4070 class cards but their segmentation is more akin of 60 class cards in the old days. That's why we don't have any 4050's.

In contrast 7900XTX have plenty of raster performance and plenty VRAM (24Gb) like the 4090 and for some games they give off same gaming experience, DCS included, being 50% cheaper and more available it is a no brainer really.

I am a bit suspect of saying this because I have a 4090 but at the time I was more interested in a 7900XTX, alas AMD botched the logistics at launch as usual so I went the other way.

Edited February 6, 2024 by Pilotasso

[bfr]

On 2/6/2024 at 2:39 PM, Pilotasso said:

The only 2 good NVIDIA cards are 4080 and 4090, the later is more so because it has enough VRAM for the foreseeable future. The 4070 cards IMHO are fine for present games but they don't have enough left in the tank to last much past that (so to force you to buy a new one next). In reality NVIDIA markets them as 70 class cards and prices them as 4070 class cards but their segmentation is more akin of 60 class cards in the old days. That's why we don't have any 4050's.

In contrast 7900XTX have plenty of raster performance and plenty VRAM (24Gb) like the 4090 and for some games they give off same gaming experience, DCS included, being 50% cheaper and more available it is a no brainer really.

I am a bit suspect of saying this because I have a 4090 but at the time I was more interested in a 7900XTX, alas AMD botched the logistics at launch as usual so I went the other way.

 

This 'not enough RAM for the future' argument keeps getting made but unless you're planning on running the same card for a very long time (like 3+ generations, when possibly just raw performance will start to bite you first anyway and you'll be forced to reduce resolution and/or quality to get decent FPS or just upgrade) i'm struggling to think of cases where it turned out to be a real world problem.  Game studios will write stuff for what the majority of hardware out there is capable of supporting, otherwise they aren't going to get much money back in sales.

[Pilotasso]

People buying every odd gen are the minority. I kept my 1080Ti for 5 years, until DCS blasted past its 11Gb VRAM limit. People were paying thru the nose for 8Gb and 10Gb just last gen. And there are plenty of GPU reviews showing how badly those were bottlenecked this way.

Edited February 7, 2024 by Pilotasso

[bfr]

8 hours ago, Pilotasso said:

People buying every odd gen are the minority. I kept my 1080Ti for 5 years, until DCS blasted past its 11Gb VRAM limit. People were paying thru the nose for 8Gb and 10Gb just last gen. And there are plenty of GPU reviews showing how badly those were bottlenecked this way.

 

Yet somehow I was running an 8GB card until a 2-3 months ago that was doing fine driving an ultrawide monitor at just over 2K resolution. 

[Pilotasso]

Yes, but you did replace it.

With 11 GB I was getting stuttering, and couldn't crank the view distance of objects up so trees would popup in front of my Aircraft. Also I had a 27" 1440P monitor and when I upgraded the GPU I also got a Samsung Neo G8 Mini led HDR monitor. What was (not) "fine" before sure was hugely superseded. Specially because I play mostly in Multiplayer.

[bfr]

23 hours ago, Pilotasso said:

Yes, but you did replace it.

With 11 GB I was getting stuttering, and couldn't crank the view distance of objects up so trees would popup in front of my Aircraft. Also I had a 27" 1440P monitor and when I upgraded the GPU I also got a Samsung Neo G8 Mini led HDR monitor. What was (not) "fine" before sure was hugely superseded. Specially because I play mostly in Multiplayer.

Yes I did upgrade but for things other than DCS and I had some spare cash at the time.  I'm getting better frame rates now in DCS obviously, but it was rarely dipping below 50 on the old setup anyway.

[Zius]

I'm also thinking about upgrading my graphics card, but have a slightly different dilemma, namely:

4060Ti vs. 7800XT

Both in 16GB version, since apparently, DCS likes more VRAM.

The way I see it, the 7800XT is a bit faster but also less energy efficient. It's also about E100 more expensive. I'm leaning towards 4060Ti due to energy efficiency.

My budget is not extremely firm but I do think E600 should be more than enough, and anything near E1000 is definitely way too much.

Any considerations, since people here seem to like AMD?

I'm not doing VR, nor am I planning to do VR in the foreseeable future.

Edited February 12, 2024 by Zius

[blkspade]

The 4070ti Isn't even in the same tier as the 7900XTX. If they are close to the same price where you are, XTX makes way more sense.

[diego999]

6 hours ago, Zius said:

I'm also thinking about upgrading my graphics card, but have a slightly different dilemma, namely:

4060Ti vs. 7800XT

Both in 16GB version, since apparently, DCS likes more VRAM.

The way I see it, the 7800XT is a bit faster but also less energy efficient. It's also about E100 more expensive. I'm leaning towards 4060Ti due to energy efficiency.

My budget is not extremely firm but I do think E600 should be more than enough, and anything near E1000 is definitely way too much.

Any considerations, since people here seem to like AMD?

I'm not doing VR, nor am I planning to do VR in the foreseeable future.

 

 

Please don't buy the 4060ti. In most benchmarks is barely faster than the older 3060ti, and in some high resolution tests it's actually SLOWER than the card it was intended to replace.

The extra VRAM on the 16GB model won't help you as the chip doesn't have the raw power to fully utilize that much memory. It's like the old 3060ti 8GB vs 3060 12GB dilemma: the 3060ti was way better in almost every scenario while having less ram.

See here:

 

Edited February 13, 2024 by diego999

[mikko.1842]

On 2/12/2024 at 10:19 PM, Zius said:

I'm also thinking about upgrading my graphics card, but have a slightly different dilemma, namely:

4060Ti vs. 7800XT

Both in 16GB version, since apparently, DCS likes more VRAM.

The way I see it, the 7800XT is a bit faster but also less energy efficient. It's also about E100 more expensive. I'm leaning towards 4060Ti due to energy efficiency.

My budget is not extremely firm but I do think E600 should be more than enough, and anything near E1000 is definitely way too much.

Any considerations, since people here seem to like AMD?

I'm not doing VR, nor am I planning to do VR in the foreseeable future.

 

4060 and 4060Ti (16Gb or 8Gb) are both trash. Every hardware enthusiast will tell you the same thing about these GPUs. Even an old 3060Ti or an old 6700XT can give a good run to the trash 4060Ti.

With 7800XT getting closer and closer to 500€ tag, there is no dilemma.

Just compare the 128-bit-memory-bus from 4060Ti to the 256-bit-memory-buss from 7800XT... meaning 4060Ti has VRAM, but doesn't have enough "road" to use it.

About energy efficiency, if energy price is really a problem, you can easily undervolt the 7800XT with Adrenalin software... but if you play less than 6 hours a day, energy price shouldn't be a problem.

If you want to buy nVidia, buy 4070 Super or 4070Ti, which offer decent value to price. Don't buy 4060 series.

Edited February 14, 2024 by mikko.1842

[LucShep]

4 hours ago, mikko.1842 said:

4060 and 4060Ti (16Gb or 8Gb) are both trash. Every hardware enthusiast will tell you the same thing about these GPUs. Even an old 3060Ti or an old 6700XT can give a good run to the trash 4060Ti.

With 7800XT getting closer and closer to 500€ tag, there is no dilemma.

Just compare the 128-bit-memory-bus from 4060Ti to the 256-bit-memory-buss from 7800XT... meaning 4060Ti has VRAM, but doesn't have enough "road" to use it.

About energy efficiency, if energy price is really a problem, you can easily undervolt the 7800XT with Adrenalin software... but if you play less than 6 hours a day, energy price shouldn't be a problem.

If you want to buy nVidia, buy 4070 Super or 4070Ti, which offer decent value to price. Don't buy 4060 series.

 

Absolutely - avoid the RTX 4060/Ti, its 128-bit bus is utter garbage.
If it has to be same price/segment, the previous RTX 3060/Ti is better (actually performing same as stock RTX 3070 after OC/undervolt).
As is the older equivalent RX 6700XT of AMD, also a better alternative.

If it has to be Nvidia 4000 series, get the RTX 4070/Ti (Super or not) or, if you can pay that high, the RTX 4080 (Super or not).

But, it has to be said, AMD is providing the best overall performance for the money right now, with the RTX7800XT and RX7900 XT / XTX.
Ray Tracing is definitely not as good with these and, sure, DLSS is absent (uses FSR instead). But the raw (rasterization) performance is there, as is higher ammount of VRAM compared to the Nvidia competition. Also, AMD drivers got a lot better in recent years, more stable and intuitive to use than in years/models past.

Edited February 14, 2024 by LucShep