artao Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I mean ... Everyone knows the -21 has issues nowadays. PLEASE update it. It's one of the most popular DCS modules. It deserves higher priority than anything else you're working on. As much as y'all might love the planes in your pipeline, the community LONGS for a proper -21 update. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 They've already said a v2.0 is going to come, but that's after Corsair release. They keep being a rather small team. 3 "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2.1 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 1/12/2024 at 5:56 PM, Ala13_ManOWar said: They've already said a v2.0 is going to come, but that's after Corsair release. They keep being a rather small team. Can you send coming changes with version 2.0? Летаю по священным скрижалям Хартмана Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art-J Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 ^ It doesn't seem even M3 devs themselves have made a 100% final decision about what they want / can update in the MiG. It will probably depend on time and resources availability related to their other projects. There also is no single place where they listed all planned 2.0 features. Go to their website and just browse through annual and summer updates back to 2021. There will be some info about the MiG posted in each of them. 1 i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Yep, that. Only said they'll do it, no nothing yet but it'd be expectable a v2.0 remake should be up to modern DCS standards with regards to everything, 3D model, systems, and all. And about further versions... they talked about the possibility but for now it's only in our wishes. "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303_Kermit Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) On 1/23/2024 at 10:58 AM, Ala13_ManOWar said: Yep, that. Only said they'll do it, no nothing yet but it'd be expectable a v2.0 remake should be up to modern DCS standards with regards to everything, 3D model, systems, and all. And about further versions... they talked about the possibility but for now it's only in our wishes. That all after F-4U Corsair and F-8 Crusader. Taking current speed of work into account it's expected in about 16 years. (assuming that F-8 isn't much complicated than F-4U) Edited January 24 by 303_Kermit 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwWolfcom Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 ARK navigation, inner outer becon are definitely need to be reworked. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volator Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 hours ago, wwWolfcom said: ARK navigation, inner outer becon are definitely need to be reworked. Absolutely. I hope they will be pre-programmable in the ME like in other modules, and in the long run, I hope ED offers the option to even change the pre-programmed settings in the arming menue for MP. 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/24/2024 at 7:03 PM, 303_Kermit said: That all after F-4U Corsair and F-8 Crusader. Taking current speed of work into account it's expected in about 16 years. (assuming that F-8 isn't much complicated than F-4U) Nope, I guess we never know but they've said some time it'd be next after Corsair. "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303_Kermit Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 19 hours ago, wwWolfcom said: ARK navigation, inner outer becon are definitely need to be reworked. and SAU, and ARU, and Radar, and fantasy Weapon setup, and aiming sight sci-fi functions, and RSBN which currently is FC3 alike, and engine shutting down because of overspeed (it's totally made up, there are materials about it. MiG-21 shall lose stability not engine, by overspeed), and elevator not working on high speed and high altitudes.... Quote Nope, I guess we never know but they've said some time it'd be next after Corsair. wishful thinking. Navigation and radar need completely new algorithm. It must be first implemented to F-8, then if it works - you will find it in (new) MiG-21. Other way makes no sense. Nobody will implement new algorithm into old module. It would make no sense. They said a lot about it, and it's on YT. A complete interview was made about ... 1,5 year ago ...? I think. Edited January 25 by 303_Kermit 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 11 hours ago, 303_Kermit said: wishful thinking. Navigation and radar need completely new algorithm. It must be first implemented to F-8, then if it works - you will find it in (new) MiG-21. Other way makes no sense. Nobody will implement new algorithm into old module. It would make no sense. They said a lot about it, and it's on YT. A complete interview was made about ... 1,5 year ago ...? I think. I wouldn't mind having Crusader first, but either way I don't make their internal plans and v2.0 of something means a whole new module in my book so your assumption about "getting new code into old one" is only yours. "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volator Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 minutes ago, Ala13_ManOWar said: v2.0 of something means a whole new module in my book I dearly hope M3 also sees it that way; just some graphics update of the cockpit will not do the MIG-21bis justice. 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303_Kermit Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ala13_ManOWar said: I wouldn't mind having Crusader first, but either way I don't make their internal plans and v2.0 of something means a whole new module in my book so your assumption about "getting new code into old one" is only yours. It's not assumption. It's a quote. Edited January 26 by 303_Kermit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Yep, maybe we read different quotes from the same developer in different ways. Not unheard of, definitely . "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303_Kermit Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) On 1/26/2024 at 5:02 PM, Ala13_ManOWar said: Yep, maybe we read different quotes from the same developer in different ways. Not unheard of, definitely . I hope that you're right, and I'm wrong. I be glad to. DCS Needs MiG-21... Every F-4 fan needs it as proper well made module. It's best duell of all times (hoewer it was a duel against MiG-21 MF/PF/PFM/F-13 and F-4). bis fought against F-15, F-16, and F-14A. Afghanistan , Iran Iraq war, 1991 Desert storm, Balkan War. Edited January 29 by 303_Kermit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apok Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) In Balkan wars no. 21 only had one air engagement and that was vs a helicopter during a QRA. And in Nam F4s fought MiG17s more then 21s. Vietnam didnt have many to begin with. F4 will get MiG-23 to "play" with. Edited January 29 by Apok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303_Kermit Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 hours ago, Apok said: In Balkan wars no. 21 only had one air engagement and that was vs a helicopter during a QRA. And in Nam F4s fought MiG17s more then 21s. Vietnam didnt have many to begin with. F4 will get MiG-23 to "play" with. As for Vietnam - sure, MiG-17 was main workhorse of VPAF, but saying, that MiG-21 wasn't significant there, it's a huge misunderstanding. VPAF lost 63 MiG-17 and 60 MiG-21. As for aerial victories: in a list of top 16 VPAF pilots one can find 13 x MiG-21 and 4 x MiG-17. Both MiG-17 and MiG-21 were active in North Vietnamese air operations. MiG-21s were often assigned to intercept high-flying U.S. aircraft, while MiG-17s were used for a variety of roles, including ground attack and interception. The MiG-21's higher speed and altitude capabilities allowed it to cover more airspace and engage in more sorties compared to the MiG-17. MiG-21s might have been prioritized for specific missions, such as intercepting high-value U.S. targets, means, that F-4 could met rather MiG-21 in the air. Peter Davies writes, that during Vietnam War F-4 killed 17 MiG-17 at a cost of one F-4 lost to them. In the case of MiG-21 VPAF claim 74 F-4 downed. Estimated 197 MiGs (all types) were shot down during the Vietnam War, with 150.5 claimed by Phantoms. I wouldn't say that MiG-17 fought more. F-4E and MiG-21 bis came into service roughly at the same time. The difference was, that F-4E was used everywhere from Sinai and Persian Gulf till the Gulf of Tonkin, and MiG-21 bis not. MF/PF/FL was a proper workhorse against Phantom. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxthrust Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 This topic is about lack of updates on Mig-21. Whether there will be a version 2.0 is moot point. It will have its own issues. They just need to continue updating the current module as they used to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303_Kermit Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 14 hours ago, Maxthrust said: This topic is about lack of updates on Mig-21. Whether there will be a version 2.0 is moot point. It will have its own issues. They just need to continue updating the current module as they used to. True... Just for your info - there are at least 5 such topics... Some of them even started with originally some other subject, but in the end it's the same conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper33 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 21 badly needs an update once the F4U is out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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