Startup training issue - stuck at turning on HUD

[FIVE-one]

Hi !

I wished to retrain starting up the machine and got stuck at turning up the HUD.

Switches are on and the tutorial doesn't move on.

On a lesser importance : the tutorial asks for INS alignment on 00 position, which is impossible. Had to go with 20 (as per SOP) but the tutorial doesn't mention it.

PS : I know Baltic Dragon has a lot of job to do at the moment. Just opening the topic to report the issue.

[Ricou]

the trigger "FL9 HUD and Radar altimeter ON" doesn't work.
I did the following :
I oppened the mision in the ME and found the trigger "FL9 HUD and Radar Altimeter ON"
I changed the Min value from 0,1 to 0 inside the condition "COCKPIT ARGUMENT IN RANGE (201,0.1,0.5,"")

[madyogi]

Ricou - Good answer. Just downloaded the M2k and the training mission has this issue.

COCKPIT ARGUMENT IN RANGE (201,0,0.5,"")

solves it.

[unclesneep]

The need to go into the me and do this in order to even learn to start the jet is unacceptable..  

Resolve your differences ed and razbam. 

Your paying customers are getting angry.

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, unclesneep said:

The need to go into the me and do this in order to even learn to start the jet is unacceptable..  

 

what need?, couldn’t you simply read the procedure on the manual? Or watch a YT tutorial? i can suggest  this series:

 

 

 

[Jascha]

5 hours ago, Rudel_chw said:

what need?, couldn’t you simply read the procedure on the manual? Or watch a YT tutorial? i can suggest  this series:

I'm sorry, but this is not the solution. With your logic all in-game training missions are obsolete since there are tons of very good materials on YT and elsewhere.

There is a bug in this training mission making it impossible to accomplish (as described above). A self-edit workaround tip posted above is nice but still - it should be fixed at some point. It's very simple, really.

Edited October 16, 2024 by Jascha

[Rudel_chw]

42 minutes ago, Jascha said:

I'm sorry, but this is not the solution.

never claimed it was a solution, I just found the expression "do this in order to even learn to start the jet is unacceptable..  " a bit dramatic and even entitled. A software as complex as dcs has bugs and I have no doubt that there are priorities to fix such bugs eventually, but a mission trigger bug is not so critical (in my view) as to declare this situation as "unacceptable".

[Jascha]

16 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

never claimed it was a solution, I just found the expression "do this in order to even learn to start the jet is unacceptable..  " a bit dramatic and even entitled.

Maybe it's a bit overdramatic, but a paying customer is "entitled" to have a working product (in this case - free of critical bugs). This bug, albeit small, is critical in my view, as it makes impossible to progress and finish the first training mission. These missions for me are always very important. They are the first thing that I do after I buy a new module (despite relying mostly on manuals and YT guides in my training). I consider them a presentation / a showcase for the aircraft. To have such situation reflects poorly on the product. I understand that currently situation with RAZBAM modules is... complicated, but I hope it can be fixed soon.

[unclesneep]

2 hours ago, Jascha said:

Maybe it's a bit overdramatic, but a paying customer is "entitled" to have a working product (in this case - free of critical bugs). This bug, albeit small, is critical in my view, as it makes impossible to progress and finish the first training mission. These missions for me are always very important. They are the first thing that I do after I buy a new module (despite relying mostly on manuals and YT guides in my training). I consider them a presentation / a showcase for the aircraft. To have such situation reflects poorly on the product. I understand that currently situation with RAZBAM modules is... complicated, but I hope it can be fixed soon.

Amen brother..

I can understand not supporting new content.  But If you sell something, you should at least support what you're selling.  The module comes with tutorial missions and 2 campaigns.  It's not alot to ask that those actually work properly.   

With respect, I don't think its "entitled" to think that.

 

Edited October 16, 2024 by unclesneep

[Jascha]

I just wanted to confirm that the NTTR variant of cold start training mission has the same issue. Mission does not progress after turning the HUD on.

[Jascha]

The solution how to correct this bug has been posted above, but since it may be too complicated for new players, here are the working startup training missions:

Caucasus:

M2K Training 01 FINAL.miz

NTTR:

M2K NTTR 01 FINAL.miz

I have tested it and it works. There were some minor issues with some highlights staying visible but they don't affect the progress.

Just place it in My Missions folder or replace original files in "\DCSWorld\Mods\aircraft\M-2000C\Missions\Training\" folder.

[Rudel_chw]

20 minutes ago, Jascha said:

here are the working startup training missions:

 

Thanks a lot, this is truly useful and should help new users. Hope fully ED can take those as examples and place them as standard content.