More full fidelity Russian aircraft

[Nialfb]

It's great that DCS is bringing out so many great new products, the Afghan map etc. The new aircraft on the horizon is an exciting addition. But who do these new aircraft fight with in the air-to-air theatre? A bunch of low fidelity Russian foe. Don't get me wrong, I love flying my Russian helicopters and the Flaming Cliffs Russian aircraft, but when it comes to full fidelity, we are being short changed. I don't want to fly an F-16 or an F-15, I want to be bringing them down!

I know there are difficulties in getting access to Russian aircraft, but surely, since the collapse of the wall, there must be plenty of examples of Russian built aircraft all over the former Soviet block, the former East Germany even. I remember going to airshows where the Su-27 and Mig 29 were represented by the German air force.

I think I read somewhere that a full fidelity Su-27 is on th ecards, but maybe that was just in a dream.

What do you guys think?

[Silver_Dragon]

Red force modules on progress on DCS World.
- Mig-29A by ED.
- La-7 by Octopus-G and planned So-2 & Su-17
-J-8PP by Dekka.
- Mig-23MLA by RAZBAM.
- Mig-17F by Red Star Simulations.
Some rumors about a Su-22M3.

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[MAXsenna]

It's great that DCS is bringing out so many great new products, the Afghan map etc. The new aircraft on the horizon is an exciting addition. But who do these new aircraft fight with in the air-to-air theatre? A bunch of low fidelity Russian foe. Don't get me wrong, I love flying my Russian helicopters and the Flaming Cliffs Russian aircraft, but when it comes to full fidelity, we are being short changed. I don't want to fly an F-16 or an F-15, I want to be bringing them down!
I know there are difficulties in getting access to Russian aircraft, but surely, since the collapse of the wall, there must be plenty of examples of Russian built aircraft all over the former Soviet block, the former East Germany even. I remember going to airshows where the Su-27 and Mig 29 were represented by the German air force.
I think I read somewhere that a full fidelity Su-27 is on th ecards, but maybe that was just in a dream.
What do you guys think?

Why don't you just search the forum for info? Multiple threads about this.
Cheers!

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[pjbunnyru]

1 час назад, Nialfb сказал:

Замечательно, что DCS выпускает так много замечательных новинок, карту Афганистана и т. д. Новый самолет на горизонте – это захватывающее дополнение. Но с кем же воюют эти новые самолеты на театре «воздух-воздух»? Куча недобросовестных русских врагов. Не поймите меня неправильно, я люблю летать на своих российских вертолетах и российских самолетах «Пылающие скалы», но когда дело доходит до полной точности, нас обманывают. Я не хочу летать на F-16 или F-15, я хочу их сбивать!

Я знаю, что существуют трудности с получением доступа к российским самолетам, но, конечно же, после падения стены на всем бывшем советском блоке, даже в бывшей Восточной Германии, должно быть множество примеров самолетов российского производства. Помню, как ходил на авиашоу, где Су-27 и МиГ-29 были представлены ВВС Германии.

Кажется, я где-то читал, что на открытках изображен полноценный Су-27, но, возможно, это было всего лишь во сне.

Ребята, что вы думаете?

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[Nialfb]

6 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Why don't you just search the forum for info? Multiple threads about this.
Cheers!

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I've tried searching but it would take forever to wade through the irrelevant posts that come up in the search. Maybe you could point me in the right direction.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

They'll make what they can when they can source enough important documents.

[MAXsenna]

I've tried searching but it would take forever to wade through the irrelevant posts that come up in the search. Maybe you could point me in the right direction.

I'm not sure what's irrelevant to you. But they do basically start off as you, and then the OP is told that ED can't do them because of strict Russian laws, while 3rd parties are welcome to do them.
Cheers!

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[Qcumber]

Don't forget WW2. How about an IL-2 and Pe-2?

[Silver_Dragon]

1 hour ago, Qcumber said:

Don't forget WW2. How about an IL-2 and Pe-2?

By now, only a 3rd party has working on WW2 Soviet aircrafts, Octopus-G, put below. ED dont talk anything about a "east front module" and only talk about "Pacific / Battle of Britain". Others as Magnitude 3, talked about a "IJN" module, and others has no plans on WW2 (was rumors about a Militech5 "Stuka" but none has confirmed).

Edited April 25, 2024 by Silver_Dragon

[Qcumber]

18 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

By now, only a 3rd party has working on Soviet aircrafts, Octopus-G, put below. ED dont talk anything about a "east front module" and only talk about "Pacific / Battle of Britain". Others as Magnitude 3, talked about a "IJN" module, and others has no plans on WW2 (was rumors about a Militech5 "Stuka" but none has confirmed).

Too many to choose from. I like the Mig-3 but that's never going to happen. Maybe some late ww2 soviet aircraft that would work in Korea and possibly an early cold war Germany!? 

[Silver_Dragon]

2 minutes ago, Qcumber said:

Too many to choose from. I like the Mig-3 but that's never going to happen. Maybe some late ww2 soviet aircraft that would work in Korea and possibly an early cold war Germany!? 

That the problem... the 3rd parties now has your future plan about modules "forged", or wait to appears new 3rd parties centred on WW2 / early cold war stuff.

[Qcumber]

2 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

That the problem... the 3rd parties now has your future plan about modules "forged", or wait to appears new 3rd parties centred on WW2 / early cold war stuff.

Yes. All wish lists unfortunately. A focus on late ww2/early cold war makes sense though as many of these modules would work across multiple maps. It would just need careful thought about which ones would make sense, lots of people shouting loudly, and then waiting patiently for about 10 years. Easy. 

[Dragon1-1]

We'll see what happens when ED is done, or close to done with MiG-29. If Sukhoi were to cooperate, we could see Su-25A and maybe Su-27S. Other than that, we've got the whole MiG lineup either coming or already done. Maybe if C-130 works out, a Russian transport like the Il-76 could be an option, that would certainly be its own kind of fun, and it's a lot less sensitive (though a lot more niche) than fighters.

As for WWII, well, we don't have a suitable terrain, and the only 3rd party working on aircraft from the era is OctopusG. Late WWII Soviet aircraft would have been a great addition to Korea, but that era is poorly represented, too. 

[LuseKofte]

46 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

3rd party working on aircraft from the era is OctopusG

Reason for that is stupid customers like me. 
I just love the I16. 
And for that reason I probably buy LA 7 too. 
And I find a small sandbox I occasionally can have som fun with it. 
LA 7 might have been active when Mig 15 came along. But not sure when Sabre was there. As I recall pretty much all obsolete North Korean planes was destroyed pretty fast on ground. 

[Ala13_ManOWar]

7 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

Reason for that is stupid customers like me. 
I just love the I16. 
And for that reason I probably buy LA 7 too. 
And I find a small sandbox I occasionally can have som fun with it. 
LA 7 might have been active when Mig 15 came along. But not sure when Sabre was there. As I recall pretty much all obsolete North Korean planes was destroyed pretty fast on ground. 

Me too, I love those modules, I-16 is beautifully modelled, I don't expect La-7 to be less than that. In Korea I believe they used La-9 and La-11, not sure La-7 made it to Korea. Anyway, good enough for me in that environment either.

[P1l0t]

The solution would be if the Combined Arms product could be used to control any AI aircraft on any Single Player or Online server. Also, ED would create modern Fulcrum and Flanker AI aircraft types that could be played with without restrictions. The description of the Bars radar can already be found on this forum in sufficient detail, a modern Su-27M (Su-35) could be made from it.

 

All weapons of the Su-35 are available in DCS World now! It depends on the developers how much they deal with this problem! Combined Arms would also be a good attraction for players to buy because they could play with such modern aircraft!

 

The problem starts with the fact that ED decided not to make more Flaming Cliffs type airplanes even though there was a demand for them! For understandable reasons, you can make more money with the 80 dollar products, but it is still a problem that they ignore an entire part of the community for whom this would be enough as a solution. There are many things missing from the Su 27 HUD, the description of the Bars radar is available on this forum, and don't believe that the operating principle of the Flaming Cliffs Su-27 radar is based on secret documents. It is not true! So here you can see the weapons of the Su-35, this could be solved simply with an air-to-ground mode, but even the Su 25T's air-to-ground mode is an ideal starting point for the creation. This is the point that it should be a simple product. Simple radar mode that scans the ground and you can aim with a crosshair. Another function is that you could set the resolution in the air-to-ground mode to determine how much area the MFD shows.

You can read about the functions of Bars Radar here. I think it wouldn't be a problem if the Flaming Cliffs Su-35 didn't get all the functions: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/347437-add-more-ai-aircraft-for-modern-era/?do=findComment&comment=5419616

Flaming Cliffs is heavily based on fantasy and not everything is realized in it. The behavior of the Bars radar could also be fixed so that it could track targets a little better, for example it would not be sensitive to beam maneuvering flying targets. Maybe a Low radar repeat frequency separately for helicopter targets. OLS 31 or OLS 35 and a stronger OLS 27 and you're done. ED should simply see that there is a demand for this and that people would pay for it!

The PFM of the Su-27 is also questioned by many people, it would not be a problem if the PFM of the Su-27 were modified and corrected with a change in the center of gravity or a larger mass to make it different from the Su-27!

Just look at how much fun the Su-30 mod provides for absolutely free, while ED could make money by adding simple features.

Edited April 26, 2024 by P1l0t

[Oceandar]

You need to call uncle Putin and ask him to let ED developes more Russian modern jet lol. I just happy ED eventually make MiG-29 even the old one.

[P1l0t]

1 hour ago, Oceandar said:

You need to call uncle Putin and ask him to let ED developes more Russian modern jet lol. I just happy ED eventually make MiG-29 even the old one.

If you understood what I'm writing, you wouldn't be writing this. There will be a big surprise when the clickable cockpit MiG-29A arrives and players can see how different the FC3 MiG-29A completely partially fantasy based BVR radar mode is. Just to name a few!

Mode “V” (Vstryehchya): Encounter
Mode “D” (Dogon): Pursuit
Mode “SP” (???): Free Search

Or the SPO 15 RWR, which in Flaming Cliffs is partly a fantasy because in reality it works completely differently! This will also be shown in the fully clickable MiG 29A!

All of these are not included in the Flaming Cliffs MiG-29A! So somehow try to understand what I wrote about the Su-35, because the Su-27 is also partially based on fantasy, and I think a Su-35 light module is better than nothing!

By making Flaming Cliffs or light Su-35 five because there is a demand for it, you are not violating any law and you are creating it as the Flaming Cliffs aircraft are created partly based on fantasy, and Flaming Cliffs 3 is a successful product!

Edited April 26, 2024 by P1l0t

[Dragon1-1]

There will be no more FC3 modules, ED had made that perfectly clear. Yes, these are popular, but it's not the direction ED wants to go in.

The purpose of CA is not to be an aircraft module, it's there to let you command ground forces. It also doesn't work very well, particularly in VR. It will hopefully get some development later on, but it's clearly not ED's priority. Perhaps you could act as a JTAC for AI aircraft in the future, or even command them to some extent via the Dynamic Campaign UI, but definitely not fly them.

[Silver_Dragon]

1 hour ago, P1l0t said:

If you understood what I'm writing, you wouldn't be writing this. There will be a big surprise when the clickable cockpit MiG-29A arrives and players can see how different the FC3 MiG-29A completely partially fantasy based BVR radar mode is. Just to name a few!

Mode “V” (Vstryehchya): Encounter
Mode “D” (Dogon): Pursuit
Mode “SP” (???): Free Search

Or the SPO 15 RWR, which in Flaming Cliffs is partly a fantasy because in reality it works completely differently! This will also be shown in the fully clickable MiG 29A!

All of these are not included in the Flaming Cliffs MiG-29A! So somehow try to understand what I wrote about the Su-35, because the Su-27 is also partially based on fantasy, and I think a Su-35 light module is better than nothing!

By making Flaming Cliffs or light Su-35 five because there is a demand for it, you are not violating any law and you are creating it as the Flaming Cliffs aircraft are created partly based on fantasy, and Flaming Cliffs 3 is a successful product!

 

Remember, the FC-3 avionics has simplifieds and comming from Lomac / FC times. The actual FC-3 Mig-29A, has nothing to do with the incoming Mig-29A Full Fidelity module, using the propper "open sources" to simulate realistic radar modes, GCI, navigation, weapon, etc systems.

FC-3 more aircrafts has a "dead end" and ED has confirm them. If a Su-30/35 comming some day in a future to DCS will be a FF module or a 3rd party build your "light" version as Dekka with the J-10A. 

Edited April 26, 2024 by Silver_Dragon

[Silver_Dragon]

4 hours ago, Ala13_ManOWar said:

Me too, I love those modules, I-16 is beautifully modelled, I don't expect La-7 to be less than that. In Korea I believe they used La-9 and La-11, not sure La-7 made it to Korea. Anyway, good enough for me in that environment either.

La-7 was supplied to PLAF and North Korea, and some combats with that units has missmachs with Soviet La-9/-11

[Qcumber]

1 hour ago, Silver_Dragon said:

La-7 was supplied to PLAF and North Korea, and some combats with that units has missmachs with Soviet La-9/-11

La-7 vs P-51 and F4U then. 

[P1l0t]

1 hour ago, Dragon1-1 said:

There will be no more FC3 modules, ED had made that perfectly clear. Yes, these are popular, but it's not the direction ED wants to go in.

The purpose of CA is not to be an aircraft module, it's there to let you command ground forces. It also doesn't work very well, particularly in VR. It will hopefully get some development later on, but it's clearly not ED's priority. Perhaps you could act as a JTAC for AI aircraft in the future, or even command them to some extent via the Dynamic Campaign UI, but definitely not fly them.

I have the Combined Arms product, and it would be nice if this same function were included in it. I would like it to work by default, without having to allocate slots to Combined Arms players on online servers. So, if you have Combined Arms, it should be possible to launch at least 1 AI aircraft, which the player chooses, specifying which aircraft, task, and weapons the AI should use! This would be a good step forward if ED doesn't want to add modern flyable Flanker or MiG to DCS World. We could play with different AI aircraft that we control against other players or against AI. In the future, DCS World would be an even more attractive product if the more modern Su-35, MiG-29, and MiG-31 AI versions were included in the game as artificial intelligence and could be played in this way!

    I would like players with the Combined Arms product to be able to control an AI aircraft or helicopter in real time with mouse right click functions:
        Click on an air base on the map.
        Launch a new AI aircraft.
        Select the task.
        Select CAP.
        Choose the aircraft from the list.
        Select the modern MiG-31 AI.
        Specify waypoints with the mouse, as you can control an AI aircraft now.
        Select weapons as you can arm an aircraft now.
        Wait until the aircraft is armed.
        Right click on the modern MiG-31 AI and give the engine start command.
        Right click and give the modern MiG-31 a takeoff command.
        The modern MiG-31 should have the capability to attack any enemy target I specify with its weapons!

    If the modern MiG-31 is destroyed, I can of course start a new one, or even choose a different type in the same way!

 

I don't see much point in it at the moment, it's not good for anything other than controlling Combined Arms ground units. If we play with these ground units, the NATO planes will be able to destroy them without any obstacles!

I would love a wizard like this that allows me to install a ground unit in the existing missio that I can play with! I would love to play with S300 - S400 - S500 SAMs that I control!

If there is Combined Arms on online servers, it is still based on the mission idea that some aircraft will come and destroy it without hindrance. I don't think a sane person would pay money to be a free target!

[Silver_Dragon]

4 minutes ago, P1l0t said:

I have the Combined Arms product, and it would be nice if this same function were included in it. I would like it to work by default, without having to allocate slots to Combined Arms players on online servers. So, if you have Combined Arms, it should be possible to launch at least 1 AI aircraft, which the player chooses, specifying which aircraft, task, and weapons the AI should use! This would be a good step forward if ED doesn't want to add modern flyable Flanker or MiG to DCS World. We could play with different AI aircraft that we control against other players or against AI. In the future, DCS World would be an even more attractive product if the more modern Su-35, MiG-29, and MiG-31 AI versions were included in the game as artificial intelligence and could be played in this way!

    I would like players with the Combined Arms product to be able to control an AI aircraft or helicopter in real time with mouse right click functions:
        Click on an air base on the map.
        Launch a new AI aircraft.
        Select the task.
        Select CAP.
        Choose the aircraft from the list.
        Select the modern MiG-31 AI.
        Specify waypoints with the mouse, as you can control an AI aircraft now.
        Select weapons as you can arm an aircraft now.
        Wait until the aircraft is armed.
        Right click on the modern MiG-31 AI and give the engine start command.
        Right click and give the modern MiG-31 a takeoff command.
        The modern MiG-31 should have the capability to attack any enemy target I specify with its weapons!

    If the modern MiG-31 is destroyed, I can of course start a new one, or even choose a different type in the same way!

 

I don't see much point in it at the moment, it's not good for anything other than controlling Combined Arms ground units. If we play with these ground units, the NATO planes will be able to destroy them without any obstacles!

I would love a wizard like this that allows me to install a ground unit in the existing missio that I can play with! I would love to play with S300 - S400 - S500 SAMs that I control!

If there is Combined Arms on online servers, it is still based on the mission idea that some aircraft will come and destroy it without hindrance. I don't think a sane person would pay money to be a free target!

Put them on the CA Wishlist
https://forum.dcs.world/forum/967-wish-list/

[portman]

vor 14 Stunden schrieb Dragon1-1:

Other than that, we've got the whole MiG lineup either coming or already done.

The MiG-21 alone has many subvariants that it would be worth simulating. I'm just thinking of the PFM or the MF, let alone the F-13. Apart from that the current MiG-21BIS module has so many unrealistic features that - in a perfect world - it would have to be rebuilt from scratch. If we'll ever get the MiG-23 is also written in the stars at the moment, and I also don't see the MiG-25 or MiG-23BN / MiG-27 anywhere.