Black Shark versus others

[Spider76]

Hi all

 

lets stop for a moment

and lets think about how powerful Russian Siperan Beast you all have..

 

a Formula 1 car has: 700 hp

 

AH-64 APACHE

Power: 1,696 hp x 2 = 3392 hp

 

Ka-50 Black Shark

Power: 2200 x 2 = 4400 hp

 

so black shark is a clear winner here !

 

so you are flying some mighty deadly beast from a

product the cold war era..guys :thumbup:, remember that :smilewink:

[EtherealN]

Space shuttle: 37 000 000 hp ;)

[sobek]

Ka-50: 4400hp/9800kg loaded weigt [wiki] equals about 449 hp/ton

 

AH-64(A i suppose, new D variants have 4000hp): 3392hp/8000kg [again wiki] equals 424hp/ton (500hp/ton for best equipped D variant)

 

Formula 1 car: 700-780hp/605kg [according to wiki] equals 1157 to 1289 hp/ton

 

What you are hinting at would mean i could win a formula 1 race with an aircraft carrier by a large margin, because it has a megawatt class (?) nuclear reactor. :D

 

Eat my radioactively disinfected cooling water ;)

 

Edit: My bad, is has of course no fusion reactor :)

Edited April 24, 2009 by sobek

[EtherealN]

Actually, if memory serves the Nimitz class has 8 reactors.

 

EDIT: Strike that - it's two A4W reactors. It was the Enterprise class that had 8 (A2W) reactors.

 

AAAAAND...

They're not thermonuclear. A thermonuclear reactor would be a fusion reactor. And while there are such reactors in existance, they are only on the experimental stage - I think the international experimental reactor in France has a standing record of maintaining fusion for something like 4 seconds. But again, that's from memory and memory is fallible.

Edited April 24, 2009 by EtherealN

[Spider76]

Space shuttle: 37 000 000 hp ;)

 

LOL

[Spider76]

Space shuttle: 37 000 000 hp ;)

 

just a wierd thought if a helicopter could get into space

how would the flying in space would be like?

 

at least the aliens and ufo dudes would be like WTF is that?

when they see a flying Black Shark in outer space! :D

[Nate--IRL--]

just a wierd thought if a helicopter could get into space

how would the flying in space would be like?

 

at least the aliens and ufo dudes would be like WTF is that?

when they see a flying Black Shark in outer space! :D

 

It would fly the same way a plane would fly in space, that is, it wouldn't.

 

Nate

[Yskonyn]

Space is vacuum. An airplane would handle the same as any other object as far as I know, it being a fork, a vase, a car or an elephant. Ok, well maybe not the elephant because the organic body would explode. yuck.

[EtherealN]

Well, tbh, an aircraft with thrust vectoring MIGHT be able to "fly" - if you carry an oxygen tank. >.<

[CyBerkut]

Well, depending on what fuel they use, you might be able to move "backwards" by launching Vihkrs and/or rockets. Maybe even get a little "left", "right", "up" and "down" impulse control by aiming the gun off of center.

 

Guess those mirrors could finally become more useful! :smartass:

 

Re-entry is going to be one helluva auto-rotation maneuver though... ;)

[EtherealN]

Any of you tried flying the X-planes in X-plane? The X-50 or whatever the name of it was. I've flown that into space in that sim when launching from a B-52, though I obviously did not reach orbital velocity, so I did have to come back down again. (And boy was it difficult to get the "air"craft lined up properly once it's trajectory was purely ballistic.)

 

EDIT: Oh, and I did actually get a Blackhawk to lift off on Mars in that sim. It rose some one or two meters and then the engines gave up. :P I do have a kind of hunch sating that the engines shouldn't have been able to run at all in that atmosphere, though... :P

[nemises]

Well, depending on what fuel they use, you might be able to move "backwards" by launching Vihkrs and/or rockets. Maybe even get a little "left", "right", "up" and "down" impulse control by aiming the gun off of center.

 

Guess those mirrors could finally become more useful! :smartass:

 

Re-entry is going to be one helluva auto-rotation maneuver though... ;)

 

Propellant for rockets and bullets needs oxegen, sorry, no workee workee :)

[GGTharos]

Since when? ;)

The oxidant is included in the propellant.

 

Propellant for rockets and bullets needs oxegen, sorry, no workee workee :)

Edited April 24, 2009 by GGTharos

[nemises]

(doh...true...lox propellant) /shame...

Surely gunpowder needs O2 tho ?

[GGTharos]

Nope, it's sealed inside the casing with the bullet sealing the exit :)

[Feuerfalke]

Now you know why you can move the gun on the KA50: To control the flight in space.

 

 

BTW: There is no fusion-reactor. Nuclear fusion could not be created on a reactor-basis, so far. They all use nuclear fission chain reactions AFAIK.

 

Nuklear fusion would be much more welcome, though, as the reaction puts out a fraction of the radiation emitted by fission and AFAIK you can also use less dangerous materials.

[GGTharos]

It's cleaner, it probably won't explode as much, but starting up that reactor is rather costly, too.

[Feuerfalke]

It's cleaner, it probably won't explode as much, but starting up that reactor is rather costly, too.

 

Apparently it won't explode as much, but the reactor is much cheaper, because of the saved money in creating materials, stopping radiation, security management and waste disposal.

 

The problem is, there is no way to create a controlled fusion, so far. So it's basically theory, wishful thinking and counting imaginary numbers so far.

 

Who know's: the first matter and antimatter particles have been collided already ;)

[GGTharos]

The reactor may materially be cheaper, the amount of energy required to turn it on for sustained fusion is another matter ;)

[EtherealN]

Well, that depends really on what you count as a controlled fusion. They have managed to start fusion processes that produce energy, but maintaining the reaction for more than a few seconds at tops is so far not within our reach. But from what I understand that's basically the thing that we are missing to make it have a chance to be economical, since we are at the stage where the reaction itself causes a net energy surplus.

 

But I'm not a fusion researcher, so... :P

[SlapStik]

Bowl of Chilli w/ Beans = 1/3000 hp but packs a devastating effect just the same!!

[Frakin Toasters]

Deuterium-tritium fusion is where it's at, lads!

[nemises]

flux capacitor

[sobek]

Who know's: the first matter and antimatter particles have been collided already ;)

 

This is just for researching the particles that come from such a reaction. The energy that is set free in this reaction had previously to be put into creating the antimatter, so there is no total energy gain.

 

Deuterium-tritium fusion is where it's at, lads!

That's what's currently happening in all the TOKAMAK reactors, AFAIK. Edited April 25, 2009 by sobek

[Guest Supercobra267]

I would take an AH-1w or z version out of all of those, except a Ferrari F2009 F1 car.

 

its not all about hpor shp, theres the reliability, fuel consumption, maintenentce, operational perfomance in the dessert, cold etc.