There is no mention to connect electrical power in the F-4E Phantom PDF

[RTS354]

nullThe F-4 start-up tutorial in the game had the background sound so loud, I decided to refer to the PDF instead, but I noticed that in the PDF version of the manual, there is no mention of connecting electrical power to the F-4. I still managed to start the F-4 without electrical power, but I was wondering why the two tutorials didn't match. Am I missing something or is this just a missing entry in the PDF version of the startup procedure?

I uploaded a portion of the manual that I was referencing.

[emc]

I think the best place to report this is here:

Issues · Heatblur-Simulations/f-4e-manual (github.com)

then even somebody from community (i.e. me  ) can fix this and HB just accept it

[=475FG= Dawger]

36 minutes ago, RTS354 said:

nullThe F-4 start-up tutorial in the game had the background sound so loud, I decided to refer to the PDF instead, but I noticed that in the PDF version of the manual, there is no mention of connecting electrical power to the F-4. I still managed to start the F-4 without electrical power, but I was wondering why the two tutorials didn't match. Am I missing something or is this just a missing entry in the PDF version of the startup procedure?

I uploaded a portion of the manual that I was referencing.

The engine master switch(s) close the battery relay, allowing a battery start using air or cartridges. 

[Art-J]

It's there in manual allright, just in earlier phase - Pre-start -> before inspection -> pilot -> step 21 (page 734 in current pdf version).

Edited May 24, 2024 by Art-J

[Zabuzard]

Note that the Phantom can battery start. External Power is not necessary.

[RTS354]

Thanks for the info

[Kalasnkova74]

On 5/25/2024 at 2:52 AM, Zabuzard said:

Note that the Phantom can battery start. External Power is not necessary.

Real world storytime: most operators didn’t use the battery if feasible,  as for one reason it was located in a very inconvenient place to service. Changing the battery required removing the ejection seat and the work associated with that, which DieselThunder captured well with their video series on the Collings Foundation F-4D. 

 

[=475FG= Dawger]

4 hours ago, Kalasnkova74 said:

Real world storytime: most operators didn’t use the battery if feasible,  as for one reason it was located in a very inconvenient place to service. Changing the battery required removing the ejection seat and the work associated with that, which DieselThunder captured well with their video series on the Collings Foundation F-4D. 

 

The battery is on the engine master, so I would love to know how "most operators didn’t use the battery".

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

The battery is on the engine master, so I would love to know how "most operators didn’t use the battery".

 

Most likely he meant "not use the battery for starting engines".

On my case, I like to enable the battery as a first step, so that I can hear the ground crew answers on the intercom when asking for Ground Power or Air.

[=475FG= Dawger]

2 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

Most likely he meant "not use the battery for starting engines".

On my case, I like to enable the battery as a first step, so that I can hear the ground crew answers on the intercom when asking for Ground Power or Air.

The engines are air or cartridge start. You aren't going to spool up a J79 ( or any medium to large turbine engine) with an electric motor driven by a battery.

Edited June 4, 2024 by =475FG= Dawger

[Rudel_chw]

Just now, =475FG= Dawger said:

The engines are air or cartridge start. You aren't going to spool up a J79 ( or any medium to large turbine engine) with an electric motor driven by a battery.

 

You are being obtuse ... the electric power is for the ignition circuits ... cranking the engine is not the only requirement to start it.

[=475FG= Dawger]

1 minute ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

You are being obtuse ... the electric power is for the ignition circuits ... cranking the engine is not the only requirement to start it.

Not being obtuse. Unless switching the generators to external cuts out the battery completely, it is still there doing what it does. And its not going to change the required battery replacement interval in any case.

[Zabuzard]

On that matter, these old batteries would have to be swapped out if you accidentally discharged them fully. Which, as mentioned, would mean a lot of effort since it isn't easy to access.

You could make your ground crew really mad if you forgot to turn off the battery powered thunderstorm light (white floodlight) when leaving the aircraft.
Only takes about 6h-12h and the thing is dead (this is btw simulated out of the box with our electrics system)

[r4y30n]

On that matter, these old batteries would have to be swapped out if you accidentally discharged them fully. Which, as mentioned, would mean a lot of effort since it isn't easy to access.

You could make your ground crew really mad if you forgot to turn off the battery powered thunderstorm light (white floodlight) when leaving the aircraft.
Only takes about 6h-12h and the thing is dead (this is btw simulated out of the box with our electrics system)

So will we have the option to bring a case of beer for the chief after having killed it? J/k. Very cool how deep it’s simulated.