Rise Of Flight release

[GGTharos]

DCS: BEGGING for new keys!!

 

Who is making you get down on your knees and beg? It's a simple premise: ED wants to protect its software, and they chose a specific method to do it.

If you run out of activations, they'll issue you a new key if you ask. There is no begging involved.

 

The problem isn't in the method, it is in your head; you feel so entitled that you feel you don't need to compromise with any one for any reason.

 

you can get a pirate copy of black shark (RoF: dont know ^^) with a little effort.

 

That is incorrect.

 

So what is the purpose of this copy protection? Does ED want its HONEST customers to pay several times for the keys?!

 

Furian out!

 

This is exaggeration and incitement. You are basically constructing a lie. No one is required to pay several times. If you run out of activations ED will supply you with a new key.

[element1108]

Furian It seems your just looking to stir the pot...number of activations really isn't an issue. It's a limitation that exists more in your head than in the practical world. I do agree with SH5's DRM is more inhibiting than the rest, there have been a number of problems with that method...but I COMPLETELY DISAGREE with you on your application of this to Black Shark.

 

You're NOT renting this game, I purchased the DL version a year ago, I have WAY too many activations that I will hardly ever use and have not had ONE single problem or interruption while playing it.

 

Rise of Flight I had a problem in my first week where the servers weren't registering and I havent' tried SH5 yet because of all the problems associated with it...plus the DRM there is just WAY too intrusive.

 

Black Shark IMHO really isn't in this catagory...and stop threatening you can get a Black Market copy of Black Shark on the net. $39 is 1/2 the price for 10000000x the gameplay compared to most PC and ALL XBOX/Play Station games.

 

If all else fails, you can ORDER a hard copy of the game which many people may or may not have on top of the DL version.

 

The starforce issues of the old Lockon Days are behind us. I think it's a pretty solid system now that really doesn't impact my playing time whatsoever.:pilotfly:

 

I can honestly say if you're not purchasing black shark for the reasons you stated than I feel sorry for you missing an opportunity to fly a great sim based on a misunderstanding of a protection concept. Rise of Flight by the way and DCS Black Shark do not have a similar system, Rise of Flight requires you to register online and has a very heavy online component...Black Shark my friend does not.

Edited March 27, 2010 by element1108

[Flyby]

what about the Emperor's cooler balls? :D

[furian]

Who is making you get down on your knees and beg? It's a simple premise: ED wants to protect its software, and they chose a specific method to do it.

If you run out of activations, they'll issue you a new key if you ask. There is no begging involved.

Is this mandatory? And how does the proof of purchase look like? A scanned voucher? I asked this already 2 times via email but no reply! I call it begging because i cant find any official statement for this -> There is no legal claim for new keys?! I would really like to buy DCS if i knew that i am allowed to do with my hardware what i want without any risk .... :helpsmilie:

 

That is incorrect.

I didnt try it out , but it seems you can convert a cracked russian version to all available languages... :music_whistling: ... but i have to believe you.

 

 

This is exaggeration and incitement. You are basically constructing a lie. No one is required to pay several times. If you run out of activations ED will supply you with a new key.

No i dont want to lie, i just try to reproduce my RIGHTS with a clear conscience. You only get new keys because of GOODWILL. right?

[furian]

Black Shark IMHO really isn't in this catagory...and stop threatening you can get a Black Market copy of Black Shark on the net. $39 is 1/2 the price for 10000000x the gameplay compared to most PC and ALL XBOX/Play Station games.

You dont need to tell me the true worth of DCS! I never never NEVER pirated software and i will definetly not. BUT this is part of my research, of course!

[BKLronin]

Neoqb has removed the permanent online protection with the latest patch. Very nice turn. I think it´s absoloutely OK how DCS is protected but this permanent online thingy is just toooo much.

 

ALso DCS has a very fair price I think.

[furian]

Neoqb has removed the permanent online protection with the latest patch. Very nice turn. I think it´s absoloutely OK how DCS is protected but this permanent online thingy is just toooo much.

 

ALso DCS has a very fair price I think.

No, there are still limitations for single player campaign. You still need internet to play RoF reasonable!

 

IMPORTANT!!! You can get through campaign missions in any mode, ONLINE or OFFLINE. But the next mission will be available only after you complete the previous and your achievements data is sent to master-server. In this case, it might be easier to simply be logged in ONLINE while you play. But the choice is yours.

[GGTharos]

Is this mandatory? And how does the proof of purchase look like? A scanned voucher? I asked this already 2 times via email but no reply! I call it begging because i cant find any official statement for this -> There is no legal claim for new keys?! I would really like to buy DCS if i knew that i am allowed to do with my hardware what i want without any risk .... :helpsmilie:

 

I think you can just provide them with your old key, and that should be enough - if you bought the download, you provide your website (not forum, but website where you bought, in the case of ED's own shop) details, and they will look that up.

 

I didnt try it out , but it seems you can convert a cracked russian version to all available languages... :music_whistling: ... but i have to believe you.

I specifically meant the 'little effort' part; there are also some interesting details that I won't be discussing, but let's just say SF did its job - not perfectly, but well enough.

 

No i dont want to lie, i just try to reproduce my RIGHTS with a clear conscience. You only get new keys because of GOODWILL. right?

You get keys because you bought the product. You're right, ED isn't obligated to issue new keys to you, but they offer this service anyway for their customers - after all, you're buying the game, and they help you if you run out of activations in return.

 

With all that said, if you still don't want to buy it, that's fine; ED has applied what they believe to be the best compromise between protection of their product and convenience for the end user - you - but certainly that may be a solution that does not work for everyone. So far it seems to be working fine for the vast majority of people.

Edited March 27, 2010 by GGTharos

[159th_Viper]

Is this mandatory? And how does the proof of purchase look like? A scanned voucher? I asked this already 2 times via email but no reply! I call it begging because i cant find any official statement for this -> There is no legal claim for new keys?! I would really like to buy DCS if i knew that i am allowed to do with my hardware what i want without any risk .... :helpsmilie:

 

What exactly is your Problem?

 

I'm pretty sure that ED have adequate recourse to your Profile account to determine the veracity of your Purchase without You having to provide proof of purchase.

 

What you need to do is to to Purchase the Product and get on with what you do......If you conduct yourself in such a way as to Pull you activations though your A$$ at the rate of one a week, then that's your Prerogative.

 

Now for the bit where you need to pay attention:

 

When the time comes for you to request more activations, then and only then will ED have due regard to your 'Activation History', and if nothing untoward is present, then furnish you with a new set. These measures are obviously in place to prevent activations from being abused/used for Multiple PC's etc etc. With me?

 

Now for you to want a guarantee of further activations ('Legal Claim') at the outset is, with due respect, Preposterous ;)

[furian]

Now for you to want a guarantee of further activations ('Legal Claim') at the outset is, with due respect, Preposterous

Im really really speechless! Can you give reasons for your, with due respect, stupid mental attitude?

 

If I "pull my activations through my A$$" (there are enough reasons) and ED thinks i misused DCS, then i have to use pirate copy because my "legal claim" is "preposterous"? I really cant follow up!

 

Nevertheless i am really surprised with so many pleased community members.... ... ... perhaps ... ;)

[159th_Viper]

One last attempt and I'll try and keep it Simple........:)

 

Do you honestly want ED to pledge to you, at the outset, a guarantee of further activations, notwithstanding the fact that said activations might be utilized contrary to the EULA? And no - I'm not talking about what you choose to do with your Hardware: It's all about the activations.

 

And yeah, you really have no Rights of Ownership vested in the product at all - but then again, you already knew that ;). Simple really, conduct yourself appropriately and further activations, on request and Upon Expiry of your current ones will no doubt be furnished.

 

Again - where is the problem?

 

 

 

With all that said, if you still don't want to buy it, that's fine; ED has applied what they believe to be the best compromise between protection of their product and convenience for the end user - you - but certainly that may be a solution that does not work for everyone. So far it seems to be working fine for the vast majority of people.

 

What GG said ;)

Edited March 27, 2010 by 159th_Viper

[furian]

One last attempt and I'll try and keep it Simple........:)

 

Do you honestly want ED to pledge to you, at the outset, a guarantee of further activations, notwithstanding the fact that said activations might be utilized contrary to the EULA? And no - I'm not talking about what you choose to do with your Hardware: It's all about the activations.

 

And yeah, you really have no Rights of Ownership vested in the product at all - but then again, you already knew that ;). Simple really, conduct yourself appropriately and further activations, on request and Upon Expiry of your current ones will no doubt be furnished.

 

Again - where is the problem?

I want to buy. I want to play. I want to do with my PC what I want AND I want to play!

But I DO NOT want to rebuy it because I could be a potential criminal.

I think this problem is not hard to undersand and a responsible customer shout realize it... :music_whistling:

Edited March 27, 2010 by furian
"l" was missing

[GGTharos]

I want to buy. I want to play. I want to do with my PC what I want AND I want to play!

But I DO NOT want to rebuy it because I could be a potential criminal.

I think this problem is not hard to undersand and a responsible customer shout realize it... :music_whistling:

 

I think it is also not hard to understand that your risk is rather small. You're not going to be sharing your key with anyone?

Then I don't think you are a 'potential criminal' and you have nothing to worry about. Your thinking is backwards. ;)

[159th_Viper]

I want to buy. I want to play. I want to do with my PC what I want AND I want to play!...

 

Go Ahead or Not.....Your Choice. We understand, honestly.....Just please quit whining about it already ;)

 

 

But I DO NOT want to rebuy it because I could be a potential criminal...

 

You will be Judged on your Conduct Past when requesting further activations. Conduct yourself appropriately and you will not have to rebuy. Honestly, what is so difficult to understand?

 

 

Edit: Beat by GG :)

[furian]

I think it is also not hard to understand that your risk is rather small. You're not going to be sharing your key with anyone?

Then I don't think you are a 'potential criminal' and you have nothing to worry about. Your thinking is backwards. ;)

 

okay. ill give it a try. :pilotfly:

Will A-10 be released 2010? Then ill wait with buying a faster PC ...

 

But RoF DRM is still evil! :smilewink:

 

@viper:

No ill definetly not go ahead. This topic has to be discussed and believe it or not: I alone know 8 people thinking like me. Thus there are way more out there interested in this. If YOU are bothered, you are not forced to post.

Edited March 27, 2010 by furian

[GGTharos]

okay. ill give it a try. :pilotfly:

Will A-10 be released 2010? Then ill wait with buying a faster PC ...

 

This is the plan. Of course, we all know what happens to plans... :)

[element1108]

Now that F.C 2 is out, the info for the A-10 can start trickling in :)

[theGozr]

This is a Rise Of Flight thread.

Thx

 

[element1108]

This is a Rise Of Flight thread.

Thx

 

 

FORGIVONESS PWEAAAAASE

[mikesla]

You may not know this but...

 

Hello.

 

You may not know this, but by purchasing any DRM product, you are actually helping companies to do what we may not really wish to do. Go take a look at these two sites.

 

http://www.xoxobook.com/technology/the-small-and-little-known-company-bill-gates-is-afraid-of/

 

and/or

 

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/science_technology/new_technologies_and_inventions/news.php?q=1262113839

 

Without you even knowing about this, you are helping work out the bugs for the future of being online.

 

There is actually nothing we can do about it anyway.

 

Later...I will never buy a DRM product ever.

[mikesla]

Additional Comment to the one I made earlier.

 

Hello.

 

I know the earlier post seems impossible but take a closer look at exactly what a DRM product does. You purchase the core software, once you install the software, the company you purchased the software from then has you install updates with or without you permission, and allows you to play on their schedule (as long as their servers are up running, and no fishing trawler digs up main trunking cable accidentally, and there are no power outages in Russia..etc) only.

 

You might think that this cannot happen, but this is exactly what this particular DRM product is doing (among all other DRM products)

 

They are the cluster the articles are lightly referring to.

 

How would any of you feel if you purchased a car and had to plug it in to an online port, and have to get an update or a new operating serial so you can use your car for that day?

 

I know far fetched, but people thought going to the moon was far fetched.

 

Anyway, it doesn't matter does it? It seems that people give away their rights simply to feed their desire for that one day, then off to the next great, and cool product, and so on, and so on.

 

Later!

[coder1024]

mikesla, if the choice was between buying a DRM version and maybe paying a little extra for a non-DRM version, I think I'd pay for the non-DRM version.

 

however, if the only choice is the DRM version or not buying the game at all then you simply have to make the decision based on which is worse, putting up with the DRM, or not playing the game at all.

 

there isn't only 1 right answer to the above. the right answer depends on the individual and their level of interst in the product I suppose :)

[EtherealN]

How would any of you feel if you purchased a car and had to plug it in to an online port, and have to get an update or a new operating serial so you can use your car for that day?

 

I'd feel betrayed if I wasn't informed of this requirement. But you need to realize that with a car purchase you are purchasing a physical object. With software you do not "own" the software, you do not "own" the copy. You have purchased a license to use the software. This is nothing new - been that way since before I bought my new Amiga 500. ;)

 

But that's all OT. This thread topic is Rise of Flight, not DRM. DRM is only on-topic as far as RoF's specific DRM solution (which is finally moving towards not requiring permanent connection).

[M31]

RoF only needs a quick initial online check now since the last patch, you then choose offline or online mode.

 

I love RoF BTW :thumbup:

[Lulac]

. . . after 1.10 patch in RoF I'm experiencing a stuttering in this simulation . . . Till this day this issue is not solved ! So be aver . . .

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/%3Ca%20href=http://s819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/ludi88/RoF/?action=view&current=2010_2_2__15_22_22.jpg%20target=_blank%3E

Edited April 10, 2010 by Lulac