Where is the 2.0 in Jester?

[Viking 1-1]

Hi guys,

first off: I like the Phantom. It is a joy to fly and very well made. 

But where is the step to Jester 2.0? For me Jester in the Tomcat feels much better than the one in the Phantom. For example Jester in the F4E is not able to aim GBUs - he was able to do this in the F14.

Also I tried to implement a waypoint from the map via Jester. He was 90nm off...

Maybe I had to high expectations, but somehow Jester 2.0 is not really 2.0 for me...

[lengro]

Maybe more will be added during early access, but one thing I really appreciate is the Jester Context Action 

[Viking 1-1]

Yes the context action is the only really new feature. The rest feels like a step back, to be honest

Edit: Also the missing ability to enter digits via headtracking is a huge factor in VR, and I miss the Que Eyeball for the pod

Edited May 31, 2024 by Viking 1-1

[primus_TR]

On 5/31/2024 at 11:53 AM, Viking 1-1 said:

Also I tried to implement a waypoint from the map via Jester. He was 90nm off...

That may be due to INS misalignment. 

[Viking 1-1]

2 hours ago, primus_TR said:

That may be due to INS misalignment. 

True. The other tries I made were more precise.

[Zabuzard]

The things mentioned are all planned and will be added still. The Tomcat also lacked most of these things at initial launch, it takes time to add these complex features. And we are also planning to expand beyond what the Tomcat has. For example a more general and dynamic "point/look anywhere and execute context sensitive actions"

[Stackup]

On 5/31/2024 at 4:00 AM, Viking 1-1 said:

Yes the context action is the only really new feature. The rest feels like a step back, to be honest

The brand new UI?  Personally, I think the best addition was being able to click on the Jester wheel instead of having to use my headtracking or a keybinding.  Another new feature is that the code is there so you can program Jester and more easily add things such as different voicelines. There's plenty of new stuff added that isn't as noticeable if all you care about is the basic functions in the cockpit.  Not sure how all that is a "step back", although it definitely isn't the huge leap forward you may have been expecting.  I personally find Jester to be as useful in the F-4 as he is in the Tomcat in terms of functionality (apart from the targeting pod of course) except it seems easier to interact with the system and the added context voicelines and "talking" with Jester make him seem more like part of the crew.

Jester didn't know how to use the Lantirn at first either and the Pave Spike has way less functionality, relying heavily on the WSO knowing what to do and being able to actually maintain position on the target as there is no tracking fucntion in the pod, it only has a limited stabilization feature.

Jester 2.0 as I understand it refers not just to the Jester that's in the cockpit with you, but the entire software framework of Jester that allows it to be swapped between jets like the F-14, F-4, and upcoming A-6 without complete rewrites of the code for each plane.  There's lots of backend stuff that we'll never see when flying with Jester.

[Viking 1-1]

3 hours ago, Zabuzard said:

The things mentioned are all planned and will be added still. The Tomcat also lacked most of these things at initial launch, it takes time to add these complex features. And we are also planning to expand beyond what the Tomcat has. For example a more general and dynamic "point/look anywhere and execute context sensitive actions"

Thanks, this is good news!

As I said in my first post: I love the Phantom, and now I know it will only get better

[r4y30n]

Yes the context action is the only really new feature.

I mean that’s a little reductive. There’s a lot going on under the hood that’s new and different. To me it feels like he’s much better at finding contacts on his own than in the F-14.

[Mike_CK]

Isnt there supposed to be some system implemented where Jester kind of “learns” what you want him to say and when  vs shutting the F up? 

[lee1hy]

Old jester UI is 400% much better

[felixx75]

7 hours ago, lee1hy said:

Old jester UI is 400% much better

Ehm, no.

[zaelu]

The worse for me are the repeated callouts on AoA, G, altitude... "Watch the AoA... AoA is fine"... "Watch the AoA... AoA is fine"... "Watch the AoA... AoA is fine"...."Watch the AoA... AoA is fine". at infinitum... same for Gs etc. I wonder how it was considered... OK for launch such things  . A way to tell him all is OK and stop calling those like stopping him from ejecting would be nice.

[=475FG= Dawger]

On 6/1/2024 at 3:56 PM, Mike_CK said:

Isnt there supposed to be some system implemented where Jester kind of “learns” what you want him to say and when  vs shutting the F up? 

There was a rumor of the ability to edit him. I sure hope that appears in the short term. 

Edited June 6, 2024 by =475FG= Dawger

[Cobra847]

3 hours ago, zaelu said:

The worse for me are the repeated callouts on AoA, G, altitude... "Watch the AoA... AoA is fine"... "Watch the AoA... AoA is fine"... "Watch the AoA... AoA is fine"...."Watch the AoA... AoA is fine". at infinitum... same for Gs etc. I wonder how it was considered... OK for launch such things  . A way to tell him all is OK and stop calling those like stopping him from ejecting would be nice.

I'm confused; there are no AoA or G calls in the F-4 by Jester?

Edited June 6, 2024 by Cobra847

[Wrcknbckr]

15 minutes ago, Cobra847 said:

I'm confused; there are no AoA or G calls in the F-4 by Jester?

 

That would be the instructor in the training lessons...

[zaelu]

2 hours ago, Cobra847 said:

I'm confused; there are no AoA or G calls in the F-4 by Jester?

 

I am confused now too   . It's true that I am doing mostly (for now) the training missions and... the guy in the back... jester I suppose now as instructor is continuously complaining about AoA and Gs and ground being too low (I swear he is gaslighting me  ) . It wouldn't be a problem if it wouldn't be so robotical. And when I say this I mean: I pull some AoA he says I should "watch the AoA"... I release the stick... immediately he says "it's fine"... I pull again... he says same thing to "Watch the AoA"... release stick... "Now it's fine". And he does this ad nauseam. And when I do a combo of Going low then a pull up of some Gs and high AoA... you can imagine the chatter in the cockpit  .
 

Edited June 6, 2024 by zaelu