need track replay F-16C bl50 problem with air to ground weapons

[ReveWolf]

Hello everyone, from the latest update im not able to hit anymore the target with any weapons i have except the AGM-88, so i have tryed jdam, mk82 in ccrp, and 3 pylon Maverick. so now the procedure,

JDAM: is so simple power on the bomb in the sms page from A-G then wait 3 minute, slew the TGP on the target press TMS UP for point lock and then when you are in range you can see from the bracket on the right just press trigger and the jdam could go to the target.

MK-82: select CCRP and profile 2 form SMS page on A-G, then get in line with the target you found with the TGP and TMS UP for point lock, allign fly path with the center vertical line, then go straight and wait for the cue coming down and start pressing trigger, don't realese trigger till the second wave of cue go down and that perform an autolaunch of the bomb 

Maverick: first time i triyed with no boresight cause in teory from the patch the mav is auto-bored at the start but desn't seems like this for me, anyway i try, turn on mav and wait 3 min and set delivery mode to PRE on WPN page of mfd, i find the target with the TGP, then get in line lock with TGP again with TMS UP then switch to other mfd automaticaly and try to lock but how i said is not boresighted and i need to search the target with mav seeker and when i launch doesn't hit the target, 6 mav 0 hit. i try again by doing boresight on ground and happen the same.

I have launched 6 MK-82, 4 JDAM38, 9 Maverick and none of these hit one target...someone have same trouble or im doing something wrong or maybe they change something on the latest patch

Edited June 3, 2024 by ReveWolf

[razo+r]

In order to solve this we need short tracks from you. 

But in general:

The precision of dumb bombs depends on how accurate your flying is. And since you are a human, they will inherently be inaccurate. 

JDAMs can also stray a bit from their target. Generally you should lase the point for about 3 seconds or so prior to bomb release for maximum accuracy, and also release well within range. If you drop them at max range, there is a tendency that it is actually outside of their range. 

As for Mavericks, if you locked the target, you also have to make sure that the missile has enough time to maneuver. It is not a maneuverable missile, so if you are too close and not aiming directly at the target, chance are high you'll miss. 

[ReveWolf]

11 minuti fa, razo+r ha scritto:

In order to solve this we need short tracks from you. 

But in general:

The precision of dumb bombs depends on how accurate your flying is. And since you are a human, they will inherently be inaccurate. 

JDAMs can also stray a bit from their target. Generally you should lase the point for about 3 seconds or so prior to bomb release for maximum accuracy, and also release well within range. If you drop them at max range, there is a tendency that it is actually outside of their range. 

As for Mavericks, if you locked the target, you also have to make sure that the missile has enough time to maneuver. It is not a maneuverable missile, so if you are too close and not aiming directly at the target, chance are high you'll miss. 

yeah i can make a track but don't have a program for record the monitor, anyway yes dumb bomb can miss but 6 on the same target different altitude different speed is a bit weird , for the jdam i never launch the bomb at max range, usualy when im near half bracket i press the trigger but never lasered the target and before the update they go always to the target, but yes i will try with laser... for maverick just 1 is too close because i was at 5 nm but all the other is on the right parameter, usually i can take a good lock on 10/11 nm but sometimes happen more closer like 7/8 nm...all this is a bit weird before the update dumb bombs can miss 2 of 6, jdam always hit the target with no laser, mav 90% of the time go on the selected target before update, now i have a rate of 100% missing with all weapons, you don't think is a bit weird? 

Edited June 2, 2024 by ReveWolf

[razo+r]

You don't need a program to record it. Just try to reproduce your issue in singleplayer and once you are done, in the debriefing screen you have the option to "save replay". Press that and upload the file here.

[ReveWolf]

Ok i do some try in the mission editor and the only thing where i have some problem is mk-82 in CCRP never hit the target also if you are centered with the line, i have tryed 4 mk-82. With maverick and jdams all good works perfectly...so now the question why in greyflag server i have launch 9 mav 4 jdams and 6 mk-82 and no one hit any target? mk-82 i can understand, maybe some wind or not aligned properly, but jdams and mav is a bit weird

[Lord Vader]

Hello @ReveWolf

Thanks for your time mentioning these troubles you have. A quick search in our forum would reveal some if not all of these items have been addressed before. 

JDAM possible inaccuracy, CCRP and CCIP current issues with older or improper fuze settings, even boresight alignment have been either reported or addressed before. Take some time to read the threads if you wish.

Also, in order to have a proper follow up, please try to make a report of one item per thread. 

In any case, please do make a track replay of what you feel it's a bug and we'll have a look. 

[ReveWolf]

11 minuti fa, Lord Vader ha scritto:

Hello @ReveWolf

Thanks for your time mentioning these troubles you have. A quick search in our forum would reveal some if not all of these items have been addressed before. 

JDAM possible inaccuracy, CCRP and CCIP current issues with older or improper fuze settings, even boresight alignment have been either reported or addressed before. Take some time to read the threads if you wish.

Also, in order to have a proper follow up, please try to make a report of one item per thread. 

In any case, please do make a track replay of what you feel it's a bug and we'll have a look. 

Thanks for the reply, im pretty new to dcs and this is my first bug thread, but i keep in mind to create 1 singole thread for each item for the next time. How i said i try to recreate the scene i have encountered in the grayflag server and Jdams and MAverick works, maybe because my aircraft start in the air and the weapons have all the right parameters setted, CCRP mode still don't work maybe how you said is for the fuze...anyway i take a look to other thread maybe i can find a solution, if i don't i try to make a video from the server where i play and where i find this issue.

[ReveWolf]

How can i post a track from multiplayer server? because how i see in the mission editor when i spawn in air everything work except CCRP mode for mk-82, but in a multiplayer server Jdams, Mavericks and mk bombs doesn't work, always miss the target. I wanted to do a track but is not possible in multiplayer server.

[Lord Vader]

@ReveWolf

Have you read the threads where it's mentioned JDAM imprecisions, Fuze settings interference with CCIP/CCRP drops and Maverick boresight possible issues in this F-16C forum? Does nothing apply to the bugs you're mentioning?

Multiplayer tracks are automatically recorded in C:\Users\USERNAME\Saved Games\Tracks\Multiplayer.

Please do not use heavily scripted or modded servers to generate these tracks.

[sirrah]

7 minutes ago, ReveWolf said:

How can i post a track from multiplayer server? because how i see in the mission editor when i spawn in air everything work except CCRP mode for mk-82, but in a multiplayer server Jdams, Mavericks and mk bombs doesn't work, always miss the target. I wanted to do a track but is not possible in multiplayer server.

By default I believe MP track files are automatically saved here:
C:\Users\<username>\Saved Games\DCS\Tracks\Multiplayer

Note that DCS by default automatically saves all track files of every MP session you do (might want to clean up that folder once in a while as it keeps growing with files you normally don't use/need). You can disable the automatic saving 


edit:
I got sniped by @Lord Vader 

Edited June 3, 2024 by sirrah

[ReveWolf]

6 ore fa, Lord Vader ha scritto:

@ReveWolf

Have you read the threads where it's mentioned JDAM imprecisions, Fuze settings interference with CCIP/CCRP drops and Maverick boresight possible issues in this F-16C forum? Does nothing apply to the bugs you're mentioning?

Multiplayer tracks are automatically recorded in C:\Users\USERNAME\Saved Games\Tracks\Multiplayer.

Please do not use heavily scripted or modded servers to generate these tracks.

Yes i read something but i don't know if i read the thread you mentioned, maybe i miss. Ok tomorrow when i do the mission i will post the file.

[ReveWolf]

Well i think i have read the right thread, where someone says i need to load the fuze settings when im on the ground from the SMS page, and see also something about BA im going to do some test but yes i think is the same issue.

[cesarferrolho]

Just out of curiosity, are you doing hot starts or cold starts? Is your INS well aligned?

[ReveWolf]

1 ora fa, cesarferrolho ha scritto:

Just out of curiosity, are you doing hot starts or cold starts? Is your INS well aligned?

im doing cold start and i do the hdg alignment, i do the same procedure from 3 month i think is alligned properly and works fine before the last patch, i see many video of starting procedure when i start play and also read the manual.

@Lord Vader here is the track of mk-82 and jdam.

Edited June 4, 2024 by ReveWolf

[ReveWolf]

I give you later the screenshot of settings, but i set BA at 1500ft and the other is all standard with standard fuze.

[Lord Vader]

Hey @ReveWolf

These are videos, not tracks. I have no idea what you did before, the tracks help us see and debug your actions, videos do not. 

In the first video, the bomb seems to hit within the acceptable margin of 5m CEP, assuming you assigned the target using TMS up (point track). The second video I can't tell if you TMS up, you seem to drop the bomb without designation, not sure, the bomb might be hitting beyond the desired zone due to INS drift. Please read other threads about precision degradation due to MMS information including INS drift.

In any case, this is why we ask not to make bug lists in one single thread. We were talking about boresighting and now you're coming back to JDAM. This is a bit confusing to follow, not just for us, but also for the users searching for help.

• Bombs - We're working on JDAM self-guidance using GPS. For now, the procedure to drop any IDM and even dumb bumbs using CCRP is to designate with aircraft sensors or face the added drift from the aircraft's own INS errors.
• Mavericks - The boresighting procedure has been improved over time but we currently feel it's working as intended. Just make sure to follow the procedures correctly as stated in other threads here and the missiles will correctly track. 

Thank you for your time.