Dev. Update (May 3, 2009)

[VMFA-Blaze]

most of the systems are classified and if the they [boeing or whoever made the FA-18] say no then what....

 

That's not entirely true about the systems being classified .. Maybe the Super Hornet might be.. But there's lot of data readily available for the older models.. I know this for a fact as I've sourced quite a lot of it..

And as far as a new engine is concerned I'll believe it when I see it...I've been hearing that one for at least 2 or more years... To build a new engine takes a lot of time and resources and from the looks of things Eagle is extremely busy with other projects..And don't forget that this is a small company...

If Eagle ever produces a Hornet simulator with a HiFi, "state of the art engine" I'm sure it would sell, but if this happens at all its most likely going to be a long time down the road... :smilewink:

 

Blaze

[joey45]

It all boils down to the makers of the planes systems. Being old yes but that doesn't mean thier unclass. IF they do the Bug then IT will be the F/A-18a or the F-18...

[CAT_101st]

As I under stand it the new game engin is not a total remake. it is going to be a modified version of this game engin. And it will be released with the A-10c. ED started the moded GE a long time ago wile they were working on the BS sim. It did not make it to BS cause BS so so clos to being dun they did not want to delay it any further. It is rumored that ED will update BS to the modified GE after the releas of the A-10c. (hoping:thumbup:) Keep in mind the A-10 was allready finished for the US goverment, It just needed to be converted for our use So thay dont have as much work on the A-10 as you might think. Of cores this is all just what I think and have read and heard. so take it with a grain of salt I may be wrong on some points. :huh:

[GGTharos]

There are two ways to get a new graphics engine:

 

Replace it wholesale with a new one, or, upgrade the existing one with each release so it is indistinguishable from the new one. The latter aproach is being used currently - in other words, every module will see some improvement to the graphics engine.

[VMFA-Blaze]

You're missing out man, if you don't like Helo's then A-10C will be great! CAS with all the fixens of a high flying fighter jet...+ VERY LARGE GUN :)

 

Fast movers are coming don't worry :)

 

I'm hardly missing out on anything.. The A-10 sounds somewhat interesting.. I've flown it in Lock On for many years .. But of course its not my favorite. The thing that really killed it for me is the lack off ground detail, where as with fixed wing a/c the higher altitudes with this present engine really rocks. Eagle did a fantastic job of new cloud formations and great ground detail from higher elevations when it was first released . In that sense it was very innovative, but when you get down into mud moving, the ground detail leaves something to be desired...

 

When Lock On was first released I thought it was awesome, but how long can you fly the same game without getting board??? So I had to take a brake from flight sims for awhile. And I have all of them, All of MS Flight simulators including X.. All of the IL2 series All of the Strike fighters etc..

 

But the present issues with flight simulators is that its a niche market and new releases are far and few between ...

So I had to take a brake and was working on my Jaguar convertible, and just recently downloaded Rise Of Flight..

Now things have changed with the release of Rise Of Flight. This game made me dust off my old joystick and begin to fly again..

Rise of Flight has raised the bar on gaming engines, just as Lock On was when it was first released has a lot of naysayers because of the complexity of setting things up to properly run the game . I did have a lot of issues here myself but being a seasoned gamer :megalol: I did managed to make it work for me ....

Now if Eagle could just bring their engine up to today's standards the ground level combat would be more enjoyable... :thumbup:

 

Blaze

[GGTharos]

What are 'today's standards' and how many flight sims out there do you see that model a very hi-fi ground combat environment ... today?

[VMFA-Blaze]

There are two ways to get a new graphics engine:

 

Replace it wholesale with a new one, or, upgrade the existing one with each release so it is indistinguishable from the new one. The latter aproach is being used currently - in other words, every module will see some improvement to the graphics engine.

 

I don't see this as the ultimate answer to the issues..

Personally I think that Eagle needs to address the graphics engine issue as a whole. It sounds like these are small concessions to fixing the larger issue which is plausible ground effects..

But that just my opinion and I'll probably get banned for mentioning this... :megalol:

 

Blaze

[VMFA-Blaze]

What are 'today's standards' and how many flight sims out there do you see that model a very hi-fi ground combat environment ... today?

 

Have you tried Rise Of Flight??? And look at the Oleg's next release Storm of War...

[element1108]

I'm not a huge fan of rise of flight, I bought it and played it a handful of times, I don't find the terrain detail to be all that revolutionary. I'm not a huge fan of ww1 aviation so that's most likely why I feel that way.

 

I enjoy ground attack and really the a10c as modeled in dcs can't in any way stand up to lock on's a10A. It'll be a whole new experience even though the airframe is identical.

 

For me it's 100% frame rate and weapons and flight model that makes a great sim. Military sims even helicopter ones lack a great amount of graphical detail on the ground. Priorities lie in giving the illusion of flight which requires very high frame rates and flight model detail.

 

Anyway yeah working on your car is a much better use of time vs sitting in front of computer. I just find it a bit strange to give up an experience based on terrain engin. Falcon has used the same engine for over a decade now and I know it's high alt, but there are a lot of mud moving missions in falcon that have you in the dirt.

 

No disrespect intended by this by the way.

Edited August 28, 2009 by element1108

[GGTharos]

That's okay - it doesn't depend on you as seeing it to be anything - it depends on resources and other things that are more realistic and practical in real life than someone's opinion.

 

Also, RoF is by no means a standard. It has some very interesting things in it but erm - it has nothing to do with a jet combat sim.

 

Further, I know you haven't kept up on this, but the graphics engine isn't the only thing getting updates every module - the AI and other things do as well ... including the ones on the ground. ;)

 

Small concessions? Only for people who are stuck complaining about one little thing instead of seeing the whole.

While you're here laying FUD, ED has been leveraging and extending the foundation of work they've laid with DCS: BS. This same foundation allows them to now upgrade or update other parts of the game while maintaining a certain standard of fidelity - and increasing it with each iteration.

 

I'm sorry it's too slow for you - maybe you'll see a hornet in RoF? ;)

 

I don't see this as the ultimate answer to the issues..

Personally I think that Eagle needs to address the graphics engine issue as a whole. It sounds like these are small concessions to fixing the larger issue which is plausible ground effects..

But that just my opinion and I'll probably get banned for mentioning this... :megalol:

 

Blaze

[VMFA-Blaze]

I'm sorry it's too slow for you - maybe you'll see a hornet in RoF? ;)

 

I'm not commenting about the speed of the flyables actually, although I prefer fast movers..

My issues are with the ground effects.. whether its the A10 or whatever. When I'm down low I would like to see a better representation of the ground.. That's all, there's no need to take this personally.. I really didn't want to stir up a real Hornets nest (LOL)...

I mean have you even tried ROF..

Whether its WWI or WWIV it doesn't really matter to me. I'm a flight sim guy ...

 

As far as a Hornet in ROF? come on do you have to be so hard nosed Bro? If you have something against me personally PM me and discuss it.. I've been flying with Eagle since the Flanker days and I think that's its fair for me to criticise somethings once in a while..

Where you there when Flanker was first released???? The Falcon guys were all over it like a cheap suit..

This is the trouble with this genre everyone thinks that they know more the the next...

It's actually bad politics to disagree with each other all of the time...

Anyway I'm still waiting for Eagle to release a fixed wing whether its an A-10 or something else....

 

Blaze

[GGTharos]

I prefer fast movers too (in fact, the more A2A the better for me, but I am a minority).

 

I dn't know what you mean by ground effects, TBH - if you mean what the explosions look like etc ... well ... I'm sure they'll get updated one day. To me those are less important than a hi-fi jet fighter personally.

 

And yes, I'm being hard-nosed - you aren't just criticizing bud, your opinion has been heard and noted, even though you may not have been told so - however carrying on and on about it and then adding 'oh I'll get banned for this lol' is an irritating thing.

 

People don't get banned for disagreeing here, even if the devs don't like what people have to say.

Conversely, you don't have to disagree to get banned either - bans are given for good reasons, despite what some may claim.

 

You might notice you aren't banned. ;)

 

 

All the above aside - as I said, ED is enhancing all aspects of the DCS series incrementally ... regardless of this, and regardless of method, they won't be able to please everyone and we all know that this is how thing work.

[104th_Crunch]

Umm, I am the last person to say, "hey, when are we getting x" but It was hinted that we would have some news about the new Lock On product update. The hint implied that we would have received this news a few week ago. Can we have any kind of update whatsoever please? Thanks. I am looking forward to it as I am sure many others are.

 

I can't believe I just stooped to this :doh:

[joey45]

They are keeping quite about the FC updates untill they are ready to say.

 

EDIT: I myself would luv the beta test what's happening in the LOMAC/FC line.... but they say pigs can't fly.

Edited August 28, 2009 by joey45

[VMFA-Blaze]

Well modern war fare is what it its .. There isn't a whole lot ATA about it . But there is ATG and that's fun as well ..

 

GG you haven't changed a bit since you first arrived on the sean.. I just can't win with you (LOL). I give up I'll see you guys when a fixed wing arrives whether its a Marine Corps AC or not.... :bye:

 

Blaze

[71st_Mastiff]

im chomping at the bit; I feel an up date anouncement coming real soon. :pilotfly: