The Rookie Thread

[RobAnt]

Thanks for the tips.

 

Not so sure about me being a "novice", though. My first introduction to simulators was on the RAF's original Jaguar system at RAF Lossiemouth (Oh, and a quick go on, what I guess was, an elderly Hunter cockpit trainer at RAF Chivenor). back in the early/mid '70's.

 

I will concede that these were just a quick introduction, but I do understand the further effects of flight control (ie using ailerons and rudder to turn). I find it easier to land an RC helicopter than an RC aeroplane. I guess that's because I can get it closer to me to see what's going on.

 

And I've owned MSs FS software for years.

 

I don't agree with your comment "A general note - if you observe a certain behavior of the helicopter in DCS BS you can safely assume it is as it is in reality". Put simply, I'm observing, what I believe are inconsistencies between my commands and the X52 Pro.

 

For instance; if I use Z & X to control the rudder they work fine, and do what I expect - they revolve the ship around it's center.

 

So, your mention of "axis curvature" is something I'll investigate further, and of course I'll look all the other links too.

[Bucic]

Sorry if my post seemed patronizing to you then :)

 

Well, the first thing you should investigate is that you've mapped right axes to the right controls. Make sure you map your throttle lever NOT to throttle axis but to collective. Review other axes as well and use the in-game [Ctrl+ENTER] indicator (make sure you know all of its indicating symbols.

 

Also please make sure you don't have your game set to "Game mode".

 

I guess at this point the GUI manual will be your close friend :) You can try asking someone over Teamspeak at some MP server to help you out in your entry hours.

[wizbomb]

Hello all,

 

i have a question. I want to use the mouse and scroll wheel for looking and zooming but i cant find the controls for that

 

If anyone doesn't know what im taking about, this guy is clearly using mouse and scroll wheel

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oucXaEZG0vM

[rockstar13]

Hi All.

Have just got round to installing the shark and setting up my joystick (Logitech Extreme3D Pro),

which works great in flight sim 2004.

I know that this sim is way different to most game type,so i have printed out the manuals and watched hours of vids and finally took the giant step and tried taking control and doing a controlled hover,now my dilemma is that when i use the throttle to raise the collective i move it a fraction slowly and the shark goes up vertically like a bat out of hell out of control,now question is,can i set the sensitivity of the throttle so that it moves more to the speed of the cockpit collective lever or am i not doing something right.:helpsmilie::joystick:

 

David.

[WildBillKelsoe]

Hi All.

Have just got round to installing the shark and setting up my joystick (Logitech Extreme3D Pro),

which works great in flight sim 2004.

I know that this sim is way different to most game type,so i have printed out the manuals and watched hours of vids and finally took the giant step and tried taking control and doing a controlled hover,now my dilemma is that when i use the throttle to raise the collective i move it a fraction slowly and the shark goes up vertically like a bat out of hell out of control,now question is,can i set the sensitivity of the throttle so that it moves more to the speed of the cockpit collective lever or am i not doing something right.:helpsmilie::joystick:

 

David.

 

Set your axis tuning in the options/controls menu. Be sure to know the axis (you may do so by false assigning a command and moving the axis desiring calibration for knowing which system has it, which is what I do)

 

Be sure to set it to a slider. You may set a deadzone, user curve, inverted input, or slider depending on config and preference, and test on the spot..

 

My opinion on that black nipple you call throttle: get Thrustmaster T-flight HOTAS X (which is my tool) and have a decent HOTAS for a spin. It works like magic with blackshark.

 

That joystick will pain you because you have very little coils to control the resistance generating lift, therefore your throttle mini button works as a short coil rather than a long coil inside, giving less control over collective.

 

 

my coil

 

And its cheap (30 bucks)

Edited October 22, 2011 by WildBillKelsoe

[WildBillKelsoe]

Hello all,

 

i have a question. I want to use the mouse and scroll wheel for looking and zooming but i cant find the controls for that

 

If anyone doesn't know what im taking about, this guy is clearly using mouse and scroll wheel

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oucXaEZG0vM

 

press Lalt + c

 

now you can do it..

[rockstar13]

Set your axis tuning in the options/controls menu. Be sure to know the axis (you may do so by false assigning a command and moving the axis desiring calibration for knowing which system has it, which is what I do)

 

Be sure to set it to a slider. You may set a deadzone, user curve, inverted input, or slider depending on config and preference, and test on the spot..

 

My opinion on that black nipple you call throttle: get Thrustmaster T-flight HOTAS X (which is my tool) and have a decent HOTAS for a spin. It works like magic with blackshark.

 

That joystick will pain you because you have very little coils to control the resistance generating lift, therefore your throttle mini button works as a short coil rather than a long coil inside, giving less control over collective.

 

 

my coil

 

And its cheap (30 bucks)

 

Thanks for the heads up,will look at another stick,while waiting will try to get some sense out of the logitech, i need to get some practice in.

 

David

[WildBillKelsoe]

Thanks for the heads up,will look at another stick,while waiting will try to get some sense out of the logitech, i need to get some practice in.

 

David

 

Dont quote images, Dave. Moderators will be pissed. If collective is hard with that nipple, you can always use the num + and num - to increase and decrease.. Hell you can even use an Xbox 360 pad for analog sticks allow for better sense and somewhat immersion (which is what I used prior to the TFHX)

[rockstar13]

Thanks for the info on quotes,will not do it again,am going to have another go tonite,wish me luck.:joystick:

 

David.

[PlainSight]

Thanks for the heads up,will look at another stick,while waiting will try to get some sense out of the logitech, i need to get some practice in.

 

David

 

Try using both! thrustmaster t-flight for throttle and rudder and extreme 3d pro for cyclic. I'm using the small throttle axis for wheel brakes. It's a great combo.

[WildBillKelsoe]

Try using both! thrustmaster t-flight for throttle and rudder and extreme 3d pro for cyclic. I'm using the small throttle axis for wheel brakes. It's a great combo.

 

+1

[Bucic]

Read this before buying any joystick!

About crap-pots http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=883109#post883109

Newcomers - if you pick a joystick, look for its inside pictures on the internet and check if it's not fitted with junk pots!:vertag:

 

If you're not into reading much simply don't buy any Logitech sticks nor Thrustmaster's (including Cougar!). That Thrustmaster 16000 something is fine though. Saitek sticks are much better choices in any price range. There's nothing to compare.

Edited November 1, 2011 by Bucic

[rockstar13]

Hi Yall.

After much trying and tweaking (set the collective to 2 of the buttons on the base) i finally

got it off the ground and hovering (not to controlled but am practicing),by giving the up collective quick short taps as opposed to a definite press,though as i said in an early post the stick seems so sensitive and am a geek noob at seriously tweaking the settings.

So what you saying is that the saitek X52 is a better proposition for a HOTAS stick.

 

David

[WildBillKelsoe]

Hi Yall.

After much trying and tweaking (set the collective to 2 of the buttons on the base) i finally

got it off the ground and hovering (not to controlled but am practicing),by giving the up collective quick short taps as opposed to a definite press,though as i said in an early post the stick seems so sensitive and am a geek noob at seriously tweaking the settings.

So what you saying is that the saitek X52 is a better proposition for a HOTAS stick.

 

David

 

Well, I got a DOA saitek x52 non pro from amazon, and replaced it with the cheaper, but still reliable, t-flight hotas X. check the above of this page for photos. My slider works very well, as if I own a true collective. Anyways, your money, your choice. cheers. N_O

[sc_morpheus]

Im going to buy a Thrustmaster T-Fight Hotas X this week. Its 40€, so i think it cant be a mistake. Gonna play the new BS2 with it. X52 is more then twice the price, sure its better but still. Why spent the money when the Hotas X is good as well.

[cichlidfan]

Im going to buy a Thrustmaster T-Fight Hotas X this week. Its 40€, so i think it cant be a mistake. Gonna play the new BS2 with it. X52 is more then twice the price, sure its better but still. Why spent the money when the Hotas X is good as well.

 

Depends on how much time you want to spend hitting keys on the keyboard.;)

[sc_morpheus]

Sure thats true, i just dont have the money right now.

[Jona33]

Depends on how much time you want to spend hitting keys on the keyboard.;)

 

You'd be surprised. For Black Shark I've got several to spare. Works well for A-10 as well.

[rockstar13]

Hi Yall.

My new controller arrived today and am in the process of setting it up,so i have a question for X52 users how do you assign the throttle to the collective up and down,i go to options/controls/collective up select the X52 click add and move throttle back and nothing happens,now there so it seems i am doing something wrong but for the life of me i cant see what.

so help me please as i want to get crashing then flying:joystick:.

 

David

[Bucic]

Hey, rookies, have you ever heard about the ED Forums » English » Sim Topics » Input and Output ? ;)

 

David,

There's nothing specific to X-52 assignments. Please refer to the GUI manual. If you follow steps there and it still doesn't work, please post some screenshots or some more detailed description of your problem. Make sure your joy. is fully functional (in the windows controllers properties). What the GUI manual may be missing is the note that when you have some dodgy buttons or axes (that shoot unintended signals) they may "steal" your assignment. You might want to pay attention to that as well.

[rockstar13]

Hi

I have been reading the GUI Manual and the siatek manual and i have been going through the forum to find help but to no avail!,so i decided to come here in the rookie thread for help from other X52 users,not an ambiguios answer like hey rookies have you heard about this thread,yes i did look in the INPUT OUTPUT thread and did not find an answer,do you personally use a siatek X52 if so could you please tell me how to assign the throttle lever to the collective stick,if not please please give your condecending answers to someone else.

 

David

[rockstar13]

Hi Yall

Sorry for the rant but had to get it off my chest.

The joystick works fine in windows and from what i can see everything works in BS apart from the collective i can see no way to assign it to the throttle lever,i am running BS v1 and have no other controllers connected to pc other than keyboard and mouse.

Any constructive help please:joystick:.

 

David

[Bucic]

Hey, chill out ;)

It's perfectly legitimate to assume rookies may missed some dedicated forum sub-sub-section, especially judging from the bunch of recent posts here. From all that in my post you got only the "condecending" part? :) I mentioned the GUI manual because it's easier to establish an exact step a user got stuck in when user directly follows a known procedure. I speak from experience. Go ahead and search through that topic and ask yourself if my goal is only to drop "condecending" remarks to rookies.

 

http://www.saitek.com/uk/supp/blackshark.html

http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_390f.html

Edited November 20, 2011 by Bucic

[rockstar13]

Hi Bucic

Well it would have been nice to put the link to the Siatek site you put in your last post IN your first post,i could have been trying their solution out some time ago.

 

David

[Bucic]

eh...