fixed 2.9.6 quad views foveated Varjo Aero issue under 90fps

[mbucchia]

28 minutes ago, Hawkeye_UK said:

Are ED going to explain why this highly valued contributor to the community who provides critial support for latest gen headsets was completely ignored to an extent he's now no longer willing to help.

Just to be clear if it wasn't enough in my message, I'm not pointing finger specifically at ED. What they're doing isn't really different from the many other game devs I haven't been able to get through to. 

You should consider yourselves lucky that you can actually play DCS on non-Meta headsets at all. More and more of the new content from game developers isn't going to be tested on anything other than Quest and given Meta's approach to a locked-down OpenXR ecosystem, this content isn't going to properly work on other headsets.

I'm dipping because I don't have time to deal with folks who aren't interested in being constructive and solving real problems like this one.  (hint: Meta is top of the list)

Edited July 13, 2024 by mbucchia

[Bjarned]

Just wanted to say that the varjo foveated 0.2.0 by mbucchia has much better performance than the solution provided by Varjo.
Thanks mbucchia!

[oCMANo]

2 hours ago, mbucchia said:

"Meta's approach to a locked-down OpenXR ecosystem"

Now that's a statement.  LoL  OpenXR is only a label then.  Yet another reason to think Meta ain't a great company.

 

[FullCooler]

Crystal / 4090 user here. Mbucchia made DCS so good it's all I play. I can't understand how ED has not hired M as a contractor, to fix the bugs and learn how to do what he does. Thanks Mbucchia for your fine work.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Sorry, I am very confused. Allow me to take a step back and ask: is QVF a feature standard to DCS? Cause I cannot find it anywhere. Also there are many OpenXR games out there, which they-shall-not-be-named, never have QVF support in the first place. I use QPro and of cause I am biased.  

I am asking because some here blames ED for this. I wish to be enlightened. In the meantime, I am going to fly more and make some videos.

[Phantom711]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants:

Sorry, I am very confused. Allow me to take a step back and ask: is QVF a feature standard to DCS? Cause I cannot find it anywhere. Also there are many OpenXR games out there, which they-shall-not-be-named, never have QVF support in the first place. I use QPro and of cause I am biased.  

I am asking because some here blames ED for this. I wish to be enlightened. In the meantime, I am going to fly more and make some videos.

muchhia has explained this ad nauseum in this thread now.

I will try in my own layman‘s terms:

QVFR is not „native“ to DCS. But it uses OXR and DCS runs on OXR. But DCS does not adhere to certain OXR standards which is why mbucchia implemented a fix (workaround) specific to DCS in his QVFR app.

Since ED now, for no apparent reason, changed the name of „DCS World“ to „DCS“ in OXR, QVFR no longer recognizes, that the workaround needs to be executed.

To again fix this in QVFR, mbucchia would need to sign a new license (or something along the lines) which costs money, takes time and then only fixes something which is a fault on EDs side in the first place….

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Thanks for the explanation. It is a shame.

[LePaul]

On 7/13/2024 at 1:22 PM, mbucchia said:

 

- platforms vendors don't care. You can see that Varjo, Microsoft, left. As for Meta they are clearly only interested in wireless (standalone) and glasses, and they haven't really done anything positive for PCVR in forever. Worse: they are currently creating a silo'ed ecosystem with the help of game developers, through something called "OVRPlugin" which basically nullifies all of the benefits and work that the industry has done with OpenXR in the last few years. Most games released so far in 2024 use OVRPlugin instead of OpenXR: this means they cannot run with OpenXR on non-Meta headsets.

 

Wait, questions @mbucchia - I have a QuestPro and have this issue.  Asides waiting for ED to fix the game, is there a different process I can take to get up and running again?  A little confused about that OVRPlugin mention you made.

 

[mbucchia]

23 minutes ago, LePaul said:

Wait, questions @mbucchia - I have a QuestPro and have this issue.  Asides waiting for ED to fix the game, is there a different process I can take to get up and running again?  A little confused about that OVRPlugin mention you made.

 

The OVRPlugin stuff doesn't apply to DCS, but instead the large majority of new Unreal and Unity games. This examples serves to explain the deplorable state of PCVR, where developers only target Quest Link, meanwhile Meta is abandoning PCVR, so this leads to that, aka leading to the unavoidable death of the industry.

[Maddaawg]

On 7/13/2024 at 10:53 AM, mbucchia said:

My wife and I rescued a 2nd abandoned bunny from the street last year. I think we have full house now

Abandoned or escapee? I lived in a neighborhood where bunnies were raised for food, we rescued 3 before moving away. Before we knew what was going on, we returned the first bunny, and she showed up again. The second time, she beat us home. She passed recently after 8 years of a happy life.

[gonvise]

8 hours ago, LePaul said:

Wait, questions @mbucchia - I have a QuestPro and have this issue.  Asides waiting for ED to fix the game, is there a different process I can take to get up and running again?  A little confused about that OVRPlugin mention you made.

 

@LePaul, in this momment there are two options:

1. Try mbucchias's VRS Foveated Rendering (OpenXR Toolkit Eye Tracking) that works since last update

2. Try the not official and not fix  which re-enables QVFR in DCS but probably breaks any other VR game you have (search in this post).

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Unofficial, DCS-only, Anti-cheat breaking "fix":

Again, neither the video nor the fix is made by me.

[Mainstay]

@BIGNEWY Can you give us a status update? Is the dev team picking up the provided information from @mbucchia ?

[BIGNEWY]

Dear all,

We are currently collecting data on issues encountered during the launch of DCS 2.9.6. Once we have completed gathering the data and implementing the necessary fixes, we will inform you of the next patch release date. Please note that a fix for Quad Views will be included in the next patch.

Thank you for your patience and support.

Best regards,
Scott / Bignewy
Associate producer
Eagle Dynamics

[MichaelJWP15]

17 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

We are currently collecting data on issues encountered during the launch of DCS 2.9.6. Once we have completed gathering the data and implementing the necessary fixes, we will inform you of the next patch release date. Please note that a fix for Quad Views will be included in the next patch.

Great news, @BIGNEWY thanks for the update. And of course thank you to @mbucchia for all the work he's done previously, even though you're understandably stepping away from this kind of open source work I just hope you will occassionally dip in with your helpful contributions. I have used VR with DCS since it was possible to do so, and will never go back to a flat screen.

[Mainstay]

1 hour ago, BIGNEWY said:

Dear all,

We are currently collecting data on issues encountered during the launch of DCS 2.9.6. Once we have completed gathering the data and implementing the necessary fixes, we will inform you of the next patch release date. Please note that a fix for Quad Views will be included in the next patch.

Thank you for your patience and support.

Best regards,
Scott / Bignewy
Associate producer
Eagle Dynamics

Awsome thnx to you and the team for picking this up and fixing it!!!

And big thnx for @mbucchia for all the hard work and provided info. You sir deserve an oscar if there would be a VR category

Edited July 15, 2024 by Mainstay

[mbucchia]

3 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Please note that a fix for Quad Views will be included in the next patch

Can you describe "fix"? Is it going to be the real thing (correct FOV submission) or just reverting the name of the app back to "DCS World"?

Thanks.

[BIGNEWY]

19 minutes ago, mbucchia said:

Can you describe "fix"? Is it going to be the real thing (correct FOV submission) or just reverting the name of the app back to "DCS World"?

Thanks.

correct FOV submission, the team have tested and it is looking good. 

thank you  

[mbucchia]

Great to hear, thank you.

[freehand]

Hallelujah.

[Ahdidaas]

I found this fix on youtube, worked well for me:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=HedSC2wEy-A

[[zcd]dARKtROOPER]

Same Issue for me in the Crystal. Cant wait for the fix and hope we get  and the team time to do the "permanent" fix! Thx!

[zildac]

56 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

correct FOV submission, the team have tested and it is looking good. 

thank you  

Excellent news!

[gonvise]

@mbucchia, when arrive the long awaited correct FOV submission (Thanks ED), and taking into account that you made a work-around to "bypass" this ED's bug in your QVFR... it will it still work or will it need some adjustment?

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

2 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

correct FOV submission, the team have tested and it is looking good. 

thank you  

Marvellous!