More Infantry/emplacement variants

[WirtsLegs]

With the release of Afghanistan map, the Kiowa, the upcoming chinook and the previously released Apache infantry are becoming MUCH more relevant in DCS.

 

There are countless threads on ground AI and behaviour but thats not what this is about

 

We need more red and neutral infantry and emplacements, instead of just a stuck kneeling RPG soldier and a handful of units with AK-74s

Specifically:

Civilians: we need civilian assets (there are mods for vehicles but not infantry) as a common challenge in afghanistan thats relevant to these new modules is VID, and discerning enemy fighter from civilian bystander. Being able to have people on rooftops and in fields that the player cant just assume are enemy combatants would add a lot of depth to the game. I would suggest just a few models, male and female that would feel in place for a few of our maps.

Enemies: a bit more variety here would be good, give us a mortar team that can pick up and move, a guy with a shovel (think planting IED), and a few variants of the generic rifleman ideally

Emplacements: trenches, mounted machine guns, bunkers, etc basically statics that shoot, we need more of them, we need to be able to have a machine-gun or atgm position that is small, somewhat disguised, and able to engage targets, and most importantly isnt an infantry unit that will run in circles the moment the target returns fire

 

Any amount of all of these will be a big help, not asking for new behaviours or AI in this, just a few more models basically.

 

Edited July 16, 2024 by WirtsLegs

[Mike_Romeo]

2 hours ago, WirtsLegs said:

We need more red and neutral infantry and emplacements, instead of just a stuck kneeling RPG soldier and a handful of units with AK-74s

I recommend Currenthill mod in the mean time https://www.currenthill.com/ Maybe ED can add the mod to DCS like how they did with the other asset pack recently

Here some pics of the infantry of the Curenthill mod:

Edited July 16, 2024 by Mike_Romeo

[Mike_Romeo]

ED is btw working on new models and showed us thoses in the past:

[Gunfreak]

Yes, new modeles with new animations are planned to be somewhat related to the development of Afghanistan map/COIN maps.

We've seen a few fractions of seconds of US troops marching and a new insurgent type model firing.

[WirtsLegs]

1 hour ago, Mike_Romeo said:

I recommend Currenthill mod in the mean time https://www.currenthill.com/ Maybe ED can add the mod to DCS like how they did with the other asset pack recently

Here some pics of the infantry of the Curenthill mod:

 

those image links don't work for some reason but I am familiar with his mods, not any insurgent infantry to my knowledge?

But regarding the new models, those look great but not really what I'm on about, I'm looking for more infantry types not new models for existing infantry.

The main asks here are the civilian infantry and emplacements(gun positions etc), neither of which there are any good mods for that im aware of?

Edited July 16, 2024 by WirtsLegs

[upyr1]

With the Afghan map, I'd love to see some 1980s Soviet infantry as well as  DHSK machine gun nests 

[Gunfreak]

19 hours ago, upyr1 said:

With the Afghan map, I'd love to see some 1980s Soviet infantry as well as  DHSK machine gun nests 

The lack of emplaced Heavy machine guns is very noticeable. 

If we look forward to Vientam the DHSK was the main anti aircraft weapon in the south. Even stuff like Zu23 was very rare south of the DMZ. Having read stories from Helikopter pilots in Vientam, they could fly 1 or 2 tours and only see small arms and the 12.7.

Same with fast movers that mostly flew south of the DMZ, if they got a briefing about 37mm guns in the area, they knew it was serious stuff.

[upyr1]

12 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

The lack of emplaced Heavy machine guns is very noticeable. 

If we look forward to Vientam the DHSK was the main anti aircraft weapon in the south. Even stuff like Zu23 was very rare south of the DMZ. Having read stories from Helikopter pilots in Vientam, they could fly 1 or 2 tours and only see small arms and the 12.7.

Same with fast movers that mostly flew south of the DMZ, if they got a briefing about 37mm guns in the area, they knew it was serious stuff.

I hope this gets fixed with the planned infantry update.  

[Kappa-131st]

Hi ED... When did you release the new infantery you tease us in.... 2021 !!!
ED's news in 2021 :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RD9nFvH7bbjUUqXcDs7AOG0A_lj1t6EP/view

Edited August 30, 2024 by Kappa-131st

[Kappa-131st]

 

[Northstar98]

Yes - would absolutely love to see all of the above.

• More infantry (there's plenty of countries that don't have anything and even the countries that do have infantry aren't anything like comprehensive). It would be great if we could change the loadout of infantry, even just the primary weapon.
• We only have one man-portable anti-tank system on quite an outdated asset. There are no western MANPATS at all, nor are there any tripod mounted anti-tank systems (only vehicle mounted).
• We only have 2 MANPADS (considering the Igla and Igla-S currently fire the same missile), there are plenty of Cold War MANPADs missing (namely the 9K32M Strela-2M [SA-7B Grail])

For civilians, personally it would be better if they were their own separate coalition/side, though we can make do with the current neutral one (just so long as there are no other neutral units). We are lacking a side that's hostile to both red and blue though. But yes, I'd definitely appreciate civilian units and not just land units, but aircraft and ships (though they should be a distinct second to military assets).

As for entrenchments, I would love to see it, but I have a hunch it'll probably require imporvements to the terrain engine to facilitate it, a certain tank game recently implemented them and even better they were made procedural.

[Kappa-131st]

It's a shame that you must download mods to have a diversity of infantry.
The community ask for more infantries units for more than a decade, et ED promise us more infantries models for at least 3-4 years.

Why can ED not manage to put diversified infantry units when the community can?

All of the mods below were created less than 3 years ago (After ED's promise...), there are long-range ATGMs, short-range rocket launchers, snipers (anti-personnel or anti-equipment), mortars, grenade launchers, tripods with ATGM, MANPAD or 12.7...
There is a real threat even to helicopters!

Currenthill : 

 

Dimitriov : 

And more and more mods with infantries or civilians...

ED, if you don't have time to create new models, suggest an integration of Currenthill models like you did with massun's pack!

Edited August 31, 2024 by Kappa-131st