correct as is Can't load/unload cargo with rear gunner

[Hoirtel]

I'm wondering if this might be intended but it seems that we are unable to load and unload any cargo with the rear gunner in place. I guess they would be in the way but it's a pain to have to rearm them out and then go back to the menu to load unload. Also if landing somewhere like a fob then you can't unload at all. 

Also in my flight just now the trim reset wasn't working at all. 

[MAXsenna]

5 hours ago, Hoirtel said:

Also in my flight just now the trim reset wasn't working at all. 

Reported issue after the patch. And for us that use FFB, the pedals are forced into center trim mode. 

[Lord Vader]

Hi @Hoirtel

The inability to load cargo with the gunner in position is intended. The rear gun is installed in such a way that doesn't allow the loading or unloading of crates. Not only it removes of the ramp platforms, the gun itself is fixed and blocks the entrance.

As mentioned, the inoperable trim is a known issue and it's being worked on.

[Hoirtel]

On 10/8/2024 at 9:35 AM, Lord Vader said:

Hi @Hoirtel

The inability to load cargo with the gunner in position is intended. The rear gun is installed in such a way that doesn't allow the loading or unloading of crates. Not only it removes of the ramp platforms, the gun itself is fixed and blocks the entrance.

As mentioned, the inoperable trim is a known issue and it's being worked on.

Thanks for the response. I thought it might be intended as I get they are in the way. However unlike in reality they cannot move out of the way so it means that internal cargo ops aren't possible with the rear gunner?  I don't think it needs any special animations or but perhaps there would be a way to temporarily remove them when on the ground so that the ramp and cargo can be used. 

In a similar note I also see that cargo cannot be loaded or unloaded if the ramp isn't in the correct position. This also makes sense but considering the ramp control isn't done by the pilots, perhaps this could be automated with cargo options? This could include a auto remove/replace of the gunner if required. Special option maybe?

I guess it might be that cargo is never transported with a rear gunner. I wouldn't know.

Overall a great module, the above is just a suggestion. Thanks  

 

[Lord Vader]

36 minutes ago, Hoirtel said:

Thanks for the response. I thought it might be intended as I get they are in the way. However unlike in reality they cannot move out of the way so it means that internal cargo ops aren't possible with the rear gunner?  I don't think it needs any special animations or but perhaps there would be a way to temporarily remove them when on the ground so that the ramp and cargo can be used. 

In a similar note I also see that cargo cannot be loaded or unloaded if the ramp isn't in the correct position. This also makes sense but considering the ramp control isn't done by the pilots, perhaps this could be automated with cargo options? This could include a auto remove/replace of the gunner if required. Special option maybe?

I guess it might be that cargo is never transported with a rear gunner. I wouldn't know.

Overall a great module, the above is just a suggestion. Thanks  

 

Of course the ramp gunner could move out of the way but the gun itself is fixed in position, it can't be easily moved and it needs some work to remove.
We may some day refine these logics, not sure towards what you suggest but, for now, you can include these suggestions on the wish list section.

https://forum.dcs.world/forum/1123-wish-list/

[Hoirtel]

23 hours ago, Lord Vader said:

Of course the ramp gunner could move out of the way but the gun itself is fixed in position, it can't be easily moved and it needs some work to remove.
We may some day refine these logics, not sure towards what you suggest but, for now, you can include these suggestions on the wish list section.

https://forum.dcs.world/forum/1123-wish-list/

I didn't actually think about the gun itself! Fair point. I am really not sure what is irl either and it's no issue really to just avoid it when doing cargo ops. 

Thanks for the responses and I may add it to the wish list. 

[Jdahl1991]

On 10/8/2024 at 1:35 AM, Lord Vader said:

Hi @Hoirtel

The inability to load cargo with the gunner in position is intended. The rear gun is installed in such a way that doesn't allow the loading or unloading of crates. Not only it removes of the ramp platforms, the gun itself is fixed and blocks the entrance.

As mentioned, the inoperable trim is a known issue and it's being worked on.

 i cant load internal cargo at all external cargo works fine but even with no gunners and the ramp all the way down i hit the cargo ^ button and nothing happens. i cant even load the cargo in the training mission that comes with the module

[BIGNEWY]

Hi

Are you pressing the open command all the the way to lower the three platforms?
Are you right next of the cargo items? 
Please attach a short track with your issue and we'll take a look.

thank you 

[Jdahl1991]

12 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi

Are you pressing the open command all the the way to lower the three platforms?
Are you right next of the cargo items? 
Please attach a short track with your issue and we'll take a look.

thank you 

yes sir ramp is all the way down with the 3 platforms on the ground i will here when i get home i play in vr not sure if that matters

[Jdahl1991]

16 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi

Are you pressing the open command all the the way to lower the three platforms?
Are you right next of the cargo items? 
Please attach a short track with your issue and we'll take a look.

thank you 

 

 

[BIGNEWY]

Hi, sorry to be a pain, can you do a track replay, do a short mission example and press esc and save the track replay during the debrief 

thank you 

[rgk86cavalry]

I’ve noticed some odd behavior with cargo loading when using the tail gunner position. If you spawn into a mission with a tail gunner already equipped, and then try to load cargo (CTLD, etc.), it will fail unless the ramp/door is open. That’s expected.

However, if you spawn without a tail gunner, open the ramp first, and then add the tail gunner afterwards (via rearming or scripting), cargo loading works just fine.

It’s almost like the logic checking whether the ramp is open doesn’t properly update when the tail gunner is already present during initial spawn. But if the door is opened first, everything registers correctly—even after adding the gunner.

Might be worth looking into. Could be a logic check that's not re-evaluating door status once the tail gunner is active.