Detailed Startup Checklist w/ Explanatory Notes

[hilikusopus]

Hello:),

 

I'm using this poll to gauge the response to my checklist and to make improvements.

I reposted the checklist here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=706049#post706049

 

It's multiple choice, so you can select several answers appropriately. Do so, have some.

 

Cheers*

 

Sincerely,

hilikusopus (Andrew)

Edited June 20, 2009 by hilikusopus

[sobek]

Very nice. I have come across some errata, will pm as soon as i'm through the list.

[Boberro]

Hmmm how to say... I say it another way.

 

I never meet yet any checklist which would be good for me. I mean:

 

 

• is 100% correct
  
• is nicely done
  
  • I mean it has graphics (little screens of button to click)
    
  • keyboard shortcut
    
  • text is well formatted
    
  • is divided on sections (or written another color) which section is only for start what for check status (test) and what for landing
    

 

It has been passed so long time since BS is out and still no checklist.

Somebody can say "create yourself you moron", but I must admit I don't wan't, I am too lazy :D

[hilikusopus]

Boberro,

 

Perhaps you could politely point out any inaccuracies to me, and I'll make any necessary changes for you. :)

 

I refrained from turning the document into a PDF, for the very reason that you point out about text formating and pictures. This way, you can edit the checklist yourself, as well as format it to suit your personal preference (which only takes a few clicks).

 

-hilikusopus

[Boberro]

I back :)

 

Now I am trying to make my own checklists. I don't know what startup is correct - there are few on forum but they are different in few moments so :S

 

I would use yours but I need images (image of button more-less area) and shortcuts to every point of checklist. I more-less only meant this when I wrote my previous post.

Edited June 22, 2009 by Boberro

[ericinexile]

I fly for a living. The airliner I fly is (at least at the level I am required to know it) far more complex than the DCS Ka50. The four checklists that are completed by takeoff brake release amount to 18 items about 5 of which really matter (ie, "killer items"). The reason the checklists are so simple is that pilots accomplish the majority of tasks through flow patterns. The "flows" allow pilots to achieve accuracy over hundreds of small tasks without the huge amount of time it would take to challenge-and-respond each item. That's what every player eventually does with DCS. My point is that a detailed and ACCURATE checklist is important during the learning phase (and recurrent study) but becomes increasingly useless after a dozen or so flights.

Edited June 22, 2009 by ericinexile

[hilikusopus]

My point is that a detailed and ACCURATE checklist is important during the learning phase (and recurrent study) but becomes increasingly useless after a dozen or so flights.

 

Once I feel like I have a good handle on it, I may write up a new checklist that assumes a familarity with the process.

 

Now that I'm just learning to deal with the Ka-50, I hope that preparing and studying a detailed checklist will help me to familiarize myself not just with the Ka-50, but with more basic aviation tasks and principles (like how electrical systems work, and how the engines are related to other things, like power settings, oil and hydraulics, etc.). I've set up this checklist so that when I, say, increase the power setting, I can see what effect an action has on other parts of the helo.

[hilikusopus]

I back :)

 

Now I am trying to make my own checklists. I don't know what startup is correct - there are few on forum but they are different in few moments so :S

 

I would use yours but I need images (image of button more-less area) and shortcuts to every point of checklist. I more-less only meant this when I wrote my previous post.

 

I understood your meaning. :)

 

I guess I just managed to figure out where everything is, so I can get by without pictures, but the color-coded notation I'm using helps me get the flow of startup, like I'm conducting an orchestra.

 

After reading your comment, it did occur to me though, that you could use my checklist or another one you prefer, and there are plenty of cockpit screenshots you could use to paste into the document. I hoped that by leaving mine as a MS Word doc, and not a PDF, it might be easier for you to do just that.

 

I'm still working on my checklist using the manual, other checklists, and the forum. As a general rule, I've tried to include more rather than less. For example, if somebody on the forum discusses a particular procedure that is missing in the manual, I've added the procedure to my checklist. When I've found conflicts between one source and another, I've tried to work it out with the most logical solution. I think it's getting there though.

Edited June 22, 2009 by hilikusopus

[Mad Dog 7.62]

I think your checklist is more of a tutorial. A checklist should just be a reminder of WHAT to do, not a guide for those who do not know how to do it. I would hope the new printed manual would have the actual pilots checklists, but I don't know for sure since the supply chain in North America seems to be broken.

MD

[hilikusopus]

I think your checklist is more of a tutorial. A checklist should just be a reminder of WHAT to do, not a guide for those who do not know how to do it. I would hope the new printed manual would have the actual pilots checklists, but I don't know for sure since the supply chain in North America seems to be broken.

MD

 

Yeah, it's not a checklist proper. I hear what you're saying though.

 

Not only does the manual lack a proper checklist, as you pointed out, I also found that it's "how to" section/s lacked the right amount of "how to". So, it was very difficult for myself and others needing more than a refresher on startup procedures to make sense of it all. Unfortunately, the in-game training tutorials, as enjoyable as they are, are not interactive.

 

I was pulling information from half a dozen sources, trying to make sense of it all, and thought it would be so much easier to have it all in one document. A checklist has the skeleton, so I adapted it but getting some meat on its bones.

 

This was simply meant for people like me who need to bridge the gap before moving on. Like I said earlier, once I get a handle on this, I'll probably create a companion version that more closely resembles an actual checklist.

 

Here's Fabio Miguez's checklist, which strikes me as pretty close to the real deal:

Ka-50 Checklist - NP.pdf

Edited June 23, 2009 by hilikusopus

[deltatango]

checklists for iphone and ipod touch

 

If you have an ipod touch or iphone, there are various checklist Apps available. I've just bought 'Aircheck', for the princely sum of AUD$2.49 (about USD$2.00) which lets you create checklists online and share them. I think I might make one for the KA-50. Stay tuned...

 

EDIT: I've made an electronic checklist, but it's from another person's checklist here http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=707713#post707713

Yours is great too. There is just so much great stuff created by members around here!

Edited June 23, 2009 by deltatango

[hilikusopus]

:)

 

This was a personal project, although I did want to try to contribute somthing to this forum, because I think everybody is really helpful and cool here (including everybody from ED and the testers). But it makes me happy to know that at least a few other people have found what they were looking for. I'll try to put together a final version I'm satisfied with, and then I'll let my baby go free into the wild. Run, run little checklist, run!

[hilikusopus]

If you have an ipod touch or iphone, there are various checklist Apps available. I've just bought 'Aircheck', for the princely sum of AUD$2.49 (about USD$2.00) which lets you create checklists online and share them. I think I might make one for the KA-50. Stay tuned...

 

deltatango,

 

Great idea! Oh man, that would be really cool to have a checklist on my handheld. Alas, I have a BlackBerry. (You're a dirty rotten scoundrel for tempting me though! Love the avatar, mate.:thumbup:) But if you make one for the Ka-50, you should definitely post about it on the forum, since there's bound to be some interest in a tool like that. Cheers.

 

-hilikusopus