Remastered F-15C

[Spino]

With the proliferation of high-fidelity aircraft that offer datalink and HMDs, the '90s version of the F-15C that we currently have feels a bit lacking.  To be clear, I'm not asking for a high-fidelity F-15C, but more of an upgraded version of the current FC2024 F-15C.  An improved external model like what the F-5E got would be welcome, and I'd really like to have an FC-friendly version of JHMCS and datalink, along with AIM-9X - essentially an F-15C from around 2005-2010 with the Flaming Cliffs level of implementation that we currently have.  I'd be more than happy to pay $10-$15 for such an upgrade.

 

[Gunfreak]

All FC3 aircraft except for the MIG29 recently got a graphical upgrade both outside and cockpit. 

I don't think you can expect more for the FC3 stuff.

[Spino]

From an avionics perspective I could see ED doing it as a paid upgrade.  Heck, even a separate aircraft.

[St4RgAz3R]

Seeing the progress made in the coming mig29A, i would certainly ask for a full fidelity F15C built from scratch as well, surely not a remastered FC one , especially now that the F-15E seems abandoned and it's future unclear. I don't know if there any limitations in documentation etc but ED should really think about it seriously. I know a lot of people would want this. Maybe it is already planned and we'll have a hint in the 2025 and beyond video.. who knows.. fingers crossed!

[scommander2]

Hi @Spino will Remaster F-15C impact to the F-15EX work?  Or, nothing to do with the F-15EX work.  Thanks.

[Czar66]

On 12/20/2024 at 6:28 PM, Spino said:

From an avionics perspective I could see ED doing it as a paid upgrade.  Heck, even a separate aircraft.

I can only see ED making a Full Fidelity F-15A, given the patterns of their product. No upgrades/remasters, just like the upcoming stand alone Full Fidelity MiG-29A which is completely detached from its Flaming Cliffs sibling being another variant.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Czar66

[LavaFlight]

Bruh just fly the f15E. Out of all the things ED could focus on u want them to spend it on revamping a plane that already exists in the sim

[Dr_Pavelheer]

@LavaFlight One small problem though, F15E is no longer being developed and updated

[Spino]

1 hour ago, Dr_Pavelheer said:

@LavaFlight One small problem though, F15E is no longer being developed and updated

Also the F-15E doesn't have AIM-9X or JHMCS.  

[Spino]

16 hours ago, scommander2 said:

Hi @Spino will Remaster F-15C impact to the F-15EX work?  Or, nothing to do with the F-15EX work.  Thanks.

From an avionics standpoint it would help, since the F-15EX currently doesn't have JHMCS (because the current F-15C avionics suite in DCS doesn't have it).

[Kev2go]

On 12/20/2024 at 1:07 PM, Gunfreak said:

All FC3 aircraft except for the MIG29 recently got a graphical upgrade both outside and cockpit. 

I don't think you can expect more for the FC3 stuff.

Fc4 wasn't remastered either.... if you purchased it you paid money to have fc3 tier variants of  f86,mig15, f5, mig21.

Ah well maybe better luck with fc5.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Kev2go

[Gunfreak]

1 hour ago, Kev2go said:

Fc4 wasn't remastered either.... if you purchased it you paid money to have fc3 tier variants of  f86,mig15, f5, mig21.

Ah well maybe better luck with fc5.

Not the MIG21. And the FC4 pack was released after the last FC3 graphical update 

[Kev2go]

20 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

Not the MIG21. And the FC4 pack was released after the last FC3 graphical update 

Which graphical update? The one where the f15c still looks the same? Ahh yes so that's the reason fc4 didn't need an actual remaster of the aircraft.

 

Again proving the point its a bottom of the barrel cash grab that offers nothing new except a copy paste of some vintage cold war fighters from ff format.

like if your trying to appeal to people who dont want full fidelity youd want to at least offer up to date 3d model that looks comperable to a standalone type module and not still like something from 8 to 10 years ago. 

 

Anyways like I said. Maybe better luck for fc5

 

Edited December 22, 2024 by Kev2go

[Gunfreak]

6 minutes ago, Kev2go said:

Which graphical update? The one where the f15c still looks the same? Ahh yes so that's the reason fc4 didn't need an actual remaster of the aircraft.

 

Again proving the point its a bottom of the barrel cash grab that offers nothing new except a copy paste of some vintage cold war fighters from ff format.

like if your trying to appeal to people who dont want full fidelity youd want to at least offer up to date 3d model that looks comperable to a standalone type module and not still like something from 8 to 10 years ago. 

 

Anyways like I said. Maybe better luck for fc5

 

The update happened this year. And the F15C definately doesn't look the same. Especially the cockpit looks much better.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/newsletters/7c07d4b9d2cbf8f5628f0d25323028ca/

[Kev2go]

13 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

The update happened this year. And the F15C definately doesn't look the same. Especially the cockpit looks much better.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/newsletters/7c07d4b9d2cbf8f5628f0d25323028ca/

 

 Compare F5E old vs new. That is an actual notabe difference in cockpit detail fidelity even though thats been demonstrated to be a retexture and not a from the scratch remaster, only the exterior 3d model is, so the F15C "update" in comparison looks like a joke. At the time no one really said anything because it was free.

But sure because FC3 so called visual retexture FC2024 didn't need any visual updates let alone a "remaster" even though being sold as a new product 

 

 

Edited December 22, 2024 by Kev2go

[Ramius007]

We need ED and RB to finally split, for FF F-15C to happen, but I think most people would be content with just fully clickable EA level FF F-15C based on current version of the plane and current FC visuals that re IMO more than adquate

[pjbunnyru]

i would buy f15c ff

Edited December 23, 2024 by pjbunnyru

[Gunfreak]

13 hours ago, Kev2go said:

 

 Compare F5E old vs new. That is an actual notabe difference in cockpit detail fidelity even though thats been demonstrated to be a retexture and not a from the scratch remaster, only the exterior 3d model is, so the F15C "update" in comparison looks like a joke. At the time no one really said anything because it was free.

But sure because FC3 so called visual retexture FC2024 didn't need any visual updates let alone a "remaster" even though being sold as a new product 

 

 

What are you on about?

Of course a texture update to several low priced FC3 aircraft is gonna be a less work intensive upgrade then one to a full paid module they you also pay for the upgrade. 

I'm not really sure what you expect, there are many things you can complain about how ED does things, but this was an free update that improved aircraft that cost next to nothing when on sale. 

I'm not sure how you can expect them to spend 7000 man hours on a single FC3 aircraft to update it.  

[cfrag]

33 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

I'm not really sure what you expect, there are many things you can complain about how ED does things, but this was an free update that improved aircraft

Agreed, and it was a very welcome upgrade to us poor VR using chaps, to whom the old FC textures were (nearly literally) an eye sore. I'm hoping that the Huey comes next.

If there was one complaint wrt the FC texture touch-up, mine would be that it was free. It IMHO sends the wrong message to the wrong kind of people, and I would have paid for it (hint: I'm willing to pay for a Huey visual update as well, just like I did for my Tiger. Just a paint job, yeah. Like with my car, I don't expect it to be free, just professional)

Edited December 23, 2024 by cfrag

[Gunfreak]

24 minutes ago, cfrag said:

Agreed, and it was a very welcome upgrade to us poor VR using chaps, to whom the old FC textures were (nearly literally) an eye sore. I'm hoping that the Huey comes next.

If there was one complaint wrt the FC texture touch-up, mine would be that it was free. It IMHO sends the wrong message to the wrong kind of people, and I would have paid for it (hint: I'm willing to pay for a Huey visual update as well, just like I did for my Tiger. Just a paint job, yeah. Like with my car, I don't expect it to be free, just professional)

I don't fly the FC3 aircraft much, but I did a very small flight in the F-15C to make part of a video and in VR, the difference in the cockpit from the old one as very easy to see and a major improvement. 

[Kev2go]

 

5 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

What are you on about?

Of course a texture update to several low priced FC3 aircraft is gonna be a less work intensive upgrade then one to a full paid module they you also pay for the upgrade. 

I'm not really sure what you expect, there are many things you can complain about how ED does things, but this was an free update that improved aircraft that cost next to nothing when on sale. 

 

No I'm complaining about reselling flaming 2024 as a new product and not improving the models, because some are making the excuse it wasn't nessesary because some like the f15c got a very marginal facelift for FC3.

Take for example how a10c and ka50 v2 got free visual updates but a10c 2 and ka50 v3 still had further improvements to the 3d model not withstanding additional features. 

5 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

I'm not sure how you can expect them to spend 7000 man hours on a single FC3 aircraft to update it.  

They need to do things more efficiently then because the f5e doesn't look like over 7000 man hours. 

Edited December 23, 2024 by Kev2go

[Gunfreak]

34 minutes ago, Kev2go said:

 

 

No I'm complaining about reselling flaming 2024 as a new product and not improving the models, because some are making the excuse it wasn't nessesary because some like the f15c got a very marginal facelift for FC3.

Take for example how a10c and ka50 v2 got free visual updates but a10c 2 and ka50 v3 still had further improvements to the 3d model not withstanding additional features. 

They need to do things more efficiently then because the f5e doesn't look like over 7000 man hours. 

Why do you continue to compare FC3/FC4 to full fidelity modules?

They aren't the same. They are in completely different price classes. 

The FC3 aircraft got a visual upgrade a few months before FC4 dropped. Did you expect them to get yet another upgrade 3-4 months after the last?

The FC3 aircraft saw a major improvement, especially the cockpit. And you got it for free. ED didn't have to do it. But they did. 

 

[cfrag]

1 hour ago, Kev2go said:

No I'm complaining about reselling flaming 2024 as a new product and not improving the models, because some are making the excuse it wasn't nessesary because some like the f15c got a very marginal facelift for FC3.

IIRC the upgrade to from FC3 to FC24 was the inclusion of the Sabre and Mig 15 as lo-complexity versions of the FF planes. The visual update to the existing FC3 planes happened some time before that. Perhaps you mixed up those two events?

 

[scommander2]

Question and no offensive: does ED have enough resource to work on it in 2025?  Thanks.

[Kev2go]

2 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

Why do you continue to compare FC3/FC4 to full fidelity modules?

They aren't the same. They are in completely different price classes. 

The FC3 aircraft got a visual upgrade a few months before FC4 dropped. Did you expect them to get yet another upgrade 3-4 months after the last?

The FC3 aircraft saw a major improvement, especially the cockpit. And you got it for free. ED didn't have to do it. But they did. 

 

The only difference between ff and fc tier should be  lower complexity of operations. Ie the lack of clickability of cockpits and simpler avionics systems, not visual quality.

If not by the same logic ed should of downgraded mig15, f86 , and f5e 3d models so the ff modules look better then what was included in fc 2024

Edited December 23, 2024 by Kev2go