NVIDIA 5 Series cards - Get your wallets ready boys and girls....

[SharpeXB]

18 minutes ago, LucShep said:

Have you even tried to game on an "average" GPU

Oh absolutely. My first DCS machine was rocking a Radeon HD 4850 which priced out at $199.  

19 minutes ago, LucShep said:

The most sold "average" graphics card is an RTX4060

Right. The average PC gamer isn’t using a $2,000 graphics card. And again half the market is using a $500 game console. 

[Aapje]

52 minutes ago, LucShep said:

I go back from a time when games were far cheaper (and easier) to produce, and passion or "substance" (a bit like we still see with ED for DCS) was the #1 reason to work for, or getting into, that business.

Indie games are probably not any harder to produce, since devs can now use UE and Unity, to keep up with the increased demands. A single guy made VTOL VR, a solid arcade flight sim.

And there is plenty of passion, because there are a lot of people who make games with very little chance and expectation to earn a good income out of it. Even one of the candidates of game of the year, Balatro, was made by a person who only made it for himself and had no expectations that others would like it.

[okopanja]

I am going to buy 5090 6 months before release of 6090 and sell it 4 months later.

[LucShep]

1 hour ago, Aapje said:

Indie games are probably not any harder to produce, since devs can now use UE and Unity, to keep up with the increased demands. A single guy made VTOL VR, a solid arcade flight sim.

And there is plenty of passion, because there are a lot of people who make games with very little chance and expectation to earn a good income out of it. Even one of the candidates of game of the year, Balatro, was made by a person who only made it for himself and had no expectations that others would like it.

Sure, there are plenty Indie games that are cool, and a few one-man projects that are really interesting (I'm waiting for Mass Conflict:Ignition and Over Jump Rally).

But, let's be honest... the Indie arena today has been completely polluted with a heap of crappy isometric and side scrollers.

I still miss that period of late 1990s to late 2000s, when a lot of new awesome games (now part of gaming history) were popping left and right.
People were doing really innovative complex things (ED is no stranger to it), we never got to see it again, not at such volume.

There's a sense of "fast food" in the gaming market.
First were the FPS a-la CoD and BF, then the "BattleRoyale" genre, and now ultra flashy (and HW intensive) "3rd Person Fantasy RPGs" clones flooding the market.
I mean.....  At least make them without silly requirements, so that everyone can play them also with more "economic" GPUs?
 

1 hour ago, okopanja said:

I am going to buy 5090 6 months before release of 6090 and sell it 4 months later.

For sure, considering how the remaining 4090 in stock are keeping prices, as are the used ones (actually with value increased), that looks like a good decision!
It may well be the case that not even the future 6080 will beat a 4090, much less beat a 5090...  

 

Edited January 31 by LucShep

[okopanja]

4 minutes ago, LucShep said:

Sure, there are plenty Indie games that are cool, and a few one-man projects that are really interesting (I'm waiting for Mass Conflict:Ignition and Over Jump Rally).

But, let's be honest... the Indie arena today has been completely polluted with a heap of crappy isometric and side-scrollers.

I still miss the late 1990s and early 2000s, when a lot of new awesome games (now part of gaming history) were popping left and right.
People were doing really inovative complex things (ED is no stranger to it), we never got to see it again, not at such volume.

First were the FPS a-la CoD and BF, then the "BattleRoyale" genre, and now ultra flashy (and HW intensive) "3rd Person Fantasy RPGs" clones flooding the market.
I mean.....  At least make them without silly requirements, so that everyone can play them also with more "economic" GPUs?
 

For sure, considering how the remaining 4090 in stock are keeping prices, as are the used ones (actually with value increased), that looks like a good decision!
It may well be the case that not even the future 6080 will beat a 4090, much less a 5080 beat a 6090...  

 

3000 EUR for 4090 if you are lucky.

[Aapje]

Apparently, people in some European countries had no chance at all at getting an FE, since scalpers figured out that they could start ordering 40 minutes before launch:

 

 

[okopanja]

6 minutes ago, Aapje said:

Apparently, people in some European countries had no chance at all at getting an FE, since scalpers figured out that they could start ordering 40 minutes before launch:

 

 

No you can still buy it:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/306081266023?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=707-127634-2357-0&ssspo=00cuw73pQB-&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=irnGZa3qQPC&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[Pilotasso]

My sister wanted a 5070 to replace my former 1080Ti wich finaly began getting blue screens after almost 8 years. If the 5080 is anything to go by, the 5070 is going to be propbably 3% faster than the 4070 super and likely similar to a 4070TI super. After checking online stores for 4070's and confirm the poor state of any NVIDIA cards stock, we found some 7900XT's for a good price (600€) I advised her to get that instead ASAP. It has more VRAM and likely there wont be any stock of anything soon.

Edited February 2 by Pilotasso

[okopanja]

19 minutes ago, Pilotasso said:

My sister wanted a 5070 to replace my former 1080Ti wich finaly began getting blue screens after almost 8 years. If the 5080 is anything to go by, the 5070 is going to be propbably 3% faster than the 4070 super and likely similar to a 4070TI super. After checking online stores for 4070's and confirm the poor state of any NVIDIA cards stock, we found some 7900XT's for a good price (600€) I advised her to get that instead ASAP. It has more VRAM and likely there wont be any stock of anything soon.

If I would be buying I would switch to team red, but than again it is the same family!

 

[The_Nephilim]

IDK after watching this video nVidia has really stooped down low. rebranding their cards and we pay more and get less.

 

 

 

[okopanja]

5 hours ago, The_Nephilim said:

IDK after watching this video nVidia has really stooped down low. rebranding their cards and we pay more and get less.

 

 

 

Nope, customers pay these prices, so all is good. And btw these youtubers only fuel the demand.

[Aapje]

2 hours ago, okopanja said:

And btw these youtubers only fuel the demand.

According to the reviewers themselves, it is more the other way around, where popular products increase their views and bad products mean low viewership.

[Notarobot]

Saw some tech dude video. There will be virtually no supply until summer. 
Prices shops are asking are already at insane levels, between 3k and 4k euro's fot the 5090

 

[Aapje]

It's a bad generation anyway, so most people should skip it.

[Dogmanbird]

at this point, it's a definite skip for me

though reading reddit, I'm amazed at the number of folk saying they are updating their 4090 for it, at least prior to 30/1

[scommander2]

I thought that people have 4090 will skip it and people (like myself) have the low-end GPU may think about upgrading…

[BitMaster]

So happy I got my 7800XT and call it a day.

I wonder how long this insane trend will continue.

[okopanja]

9 minutes ago, BitMaster said:

So happy I got my 7800XT and call it a day.

I wonder how long this insane trend will continue.

It will last until prices of 4090 get to the MSRP level.

[Aapje]

20 hours ago, Dogmanbird said:

though reading reddit, I'm amazed at the number of folk saying they are updating their 4090 for it, at least prior to 30/1

All the people for whom money is no (major) concern obviously bought a 4090, so for them, it doesn't matter if the 5090 is not better value, as long as it is faster.

You also have 4090 buyers who do care about value and some of them will skip it.

Edited February 4 by Aapje

[MJY65]

On 2/3/2025 at 6:29 AM, Aapje said:

It's a bad generation anyway, so most people should skip it.

Not a great option for those of us considering getting into it for the first time.  

The current cost of entry coupled with ongoing technical problems created by sketchy companies that over promise and under deliver doesn't do much to draw in new customers.    It's not just the 5090.   It's the constant barrage of complaints about various I/O devices that are only semi-compatible with each other and "kind of work" some of the time.  I have to believe there are many of us that have a background in (or love of) aviation that would like a smoothly working sim that doesn't require extensive IT skills.    

[nessuno0505]

I'd gladly replace my 3080TI with a msrp 5080 (when available) or a 4090 (but very difficult to find 2nd hand at a fair price).

Not something to buy now: it has been a virtual release (at least here in Europe) and a few months are still needed to find availability and msrp prices.

Is this a bad generation? A lot of AI features are still to be seen (newer directx and so on) so only time will tell; in a DCS-only perspective maybe they are to replace rtx3000 series and not something for RTX 4000 owners (unless you want the latest tech at all costs).

For sure a bad marketing: if you say a 5070 equals the 4090 performance, you shoot yourselt in the foot. They could have called them "AITX 5000 series" instead of RTX and advertize them as a completely new brand, with the same performance of RTX 4000 but AI tech under the hood, and they would certainly have been better received, even though they were exactly the same stuff.

Edited February 4 by nessuno0505

[SharpeXB]

2 hours ago, Aapje said:

All the people for whom money is no (major) concern obviously bought a 4090, so for them, it doesn't matter if the 5090 is not better value, as long as it is faster.

Resold 4090s are also getting very good prices too right now. I imagine those prices will fall when the 5090s become readily available. Yet with the small incremental gain from the new card the 4090 represents a decent value and so might continue to command high prices. The cost/performance statistic is certainly has validity but a real world transaction involves the trade-in. 

[okopanja]

15 minutes ago, MJY65 said:

Not a great option for those of us considering getting into it for the first time.  

After many years I did re-enter by buying a gaming laptop (i7 10750H + RTX 2070 Super) for around 1500 Eur. Sure not best performance ever, but still I did not feel like overpaying.

At that moment, if I opted for the desktop, the price would have been 1000 more on top.

Wise thing is to buy card in 400-600 EUR range and play plenty of prior gen games.

[SharpeXB]

44 minutes ago, MJY65 said:

Not a great option for those of us considering getting into it for the first time.  

The first PC I used to play DCS on cost almost as much as the one below but had the computing power of a smartphone today (ok maybe not quite). All you need to do in order to run games on low to mid range systems is turn down the settings. And avoid exotic hardware like high res or high refresh displays and VR. 

Edited February 4 by SharpeXB

[Aapje]

2 hours ago, MJY65 said:

Not a great option for those of us considering getting into it for the first time.  

The current cost of entry

Performance per dollar today is better than it has ever been, so this is more a matter of expectations, than of reality. The 5090 is an entry level product in the same way that a Ferrari is...not at all. You can run DCS on a 4060, on a flat screen at 1080p or 1440p.

Back in the day, progress went faster, and it didn't take all that long for top-tier performance to get down to very low prices. This is no longer the case. But that doesn't mean that you can't have tons of fun, but you can't expect to get 3090 performance for 5060 prices this generation.

So the choice is either paying more, or accepting that you are further away from the top tier.