Late Cold War / Desert Storm F-15C as additional option/variant, unlocking another 20 years of F-15C career from 1985 to 2005.

[bies]

 Thanks for the light grey fighter Eagle!  I've seen in FAQ the F-15C will be mid-2000s MSIP II covering 2005+ timeframe.

Please make also late Cold War/Desert Storm original 1985-2004 MISP II - either as separate variant or at least as selectable tick in editor - removing Link-16, JHMCS, GPS-nav, AIM-9X, few APG-63v(1) functions. To fit Iraq map Desert Storm and Fulda Gap divided Germany map as we already have all the proper era enviromet, and AI air/ground/sea assets from late Cold War. And both sides, NATO and Soviets/WarPac flayable modules. And as it was the most important part of F-15C career.

To be a counterpart for 1980s MiG-29 9.12 Fulcrum and all other late Cold War DCS modules like Tornado IDS, A-6 Intruder, A-7 Corsair, Su-17M, MiG-21bis, Mirage F.1, F-14 Tomcat, Mi-24 Hind, Gazelle L, Viggen, Bo-105, Kfir, L-39, FC3 Su-27S, A-10A, Su-25A etc.

Already in 1985 F-15C MSIP II received Programmable Armament Control Set (PACS), Multi-Purpose Color Display (MPCD), AN-ALR-56C RWR, AN/ALE-45 Chaff/Flare Dispenser, TWS radar mode, Non-Cooperative Target Recognition (NCTR), AIM-120 integration and wiring, new F-15 Advanced Control Stick Grip (ACSG) etc., cockpit already looks the same as mid-2000s, so adding this variant would be relatively easy, just removing few newer things.

And it would significantly improve the value of the whole module, adding 2 decades (!) of real life scenarios and F-15C service to play with, from 1985 late Cold War, through 1991 Gulf War, 1994 Balkan War, 1999 Allied Force up to early 2000s.

cheers!

Edited January 21 by bies

[Czar66]

A supportive argument: It doesn't have air to ground (not widely used) so it can make up for it with these variants.

Edited January 17 by Czar66

[BomberEW]

I support this request.  I want more jets and maps from the 60s, 70s, and 80s. A scale-back feature to the 80s avionics and liveries would really make this module pop. 

[Lyrode]

Maybe there's a way to do it cheaply, that server owner & campaign builder force link-16 switch off, force nvg so no jhmcs, ban 9x and 120, then we are probably fine.

reflected did this in his F-4 campaign. I just hope it's equally possible for F-15c

[Smyth]

Weapons are no problem, they can be disabled by mission. Systems are the problem, and this is a general DCS issue.

If all modules had the ability to hard disable datalink, helmet sight, and GPS per-mission (and countermeasures for all the 70s aircraft in game with 80s-90s chaff/flare dispensers, and 90s TERNAV on the AJS37, etc. etc.), then it would be much less of a pain point for the community to be stuck with one specific example of each aircraft.

I understand that for a study sim game, making many similar versions of one airframe is economically unattractive to developers. However some small effort to mitigate this by disabling systems would go 90% of the way to enable an order of magnitude more immersive historical missions.

[AvgeekJoe]

17 hours ago, Smyth said:

Weapons are no problem, they can be disabled by mission. Systems are the problem, and this is a general DCS issue.

If all modules had the ability to hard disable datalink, helmet sight, and GPS per-mission (and countermeasures for all the 70s aircraft in game with 80s-90s chaff/flare dispensers, and 90s TERNAV on the AJS37, etc. etc.), then it would be much less of a pain point for the community to be stuck with one specific example of each aircraft.

I understand that for a study sim game, making many similar versions of one airframe is economically unattractive to developers. However some small effort to mitigate this by disabling systems would go 90% of the way to enable an order of magnitude more immersive historical missions.

I think this approach of having a "disable systems" option is what Eagle Dynamics should take.  Let the mission developer or server moderator set the time period, then have systems and jets appropriate to that.

 

For instance, one F-35A in a 1991 sim wouldn't work.  Ditto a F-15C with 6 AIM-120Cs or a F-16 with JDAM.

[SDsc0rch]

this ----- so much this

[Gambit21]

Yes please.

[SuperKermit]

+1

Please ED, give us the option for an earlier version!

[Kev2go]

On 1/17/2025 at 2:19 AM, bies said:

 

Please make also late Cold War/Desert Storm original 1985-2004 MISP II - either as separate variant or at least as selectable tick in editor - removing Link-16, JHMCS, GPS-nav, AIM-9X, few APG-63v(1) functions. To fit Iraq map Desert Storm and Fulda Gap divided Germany map as we already have all the proper era enviromet, and AI air/ground/sea assets from late Cold War. And both sides, NATO and Soviets/WarPac flayable modules. And as it was the most important part of F-15C career.

To be a counterpart for 1980s MiG-29 9.12 Fulcrum and all other late Cold War DCS modules like Tornado IDS, A-6 Intruder, A-7 Corsair, Su-17, MiG-21bis, Mirage F.1, Tomcat, Mi-24 Hind, Gazelle L, Bo-105, Kfir, FC3 Su-27S, Su-25A etc.

Already in 1985 F-15C MSIP II received Programmable Armament Control Set (PACS), Multi-Purpose Color Display (MPCD), AN-ALR-56C RWR, AN/ALE-45 Chaff/Flare Dispenser, TWS radar mode, Non-Cooperative Target Recognition (NCTR), AIM-120A integration and wiring, new F-15 Advanced Control Stick Grip (ACSG) etc., cockpit already looks the same as mid-2000s, so adding this variant would be relatively easy, just removing few newer things.

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I'm not sure if the new stick grip was added initially. The 1980s manuals I've seen have msip as having original stick grip like in this photo

[Kev2go]

Also not sure how prevelant ins+gps or egi was circa 2005.

 

I found some photos from a 2008 airshow and this f15c still has the original ins panel. 

Maybe not all birds had it? 

https://www.airliners.net/photo/USA-Air-Force/McDonnell-Douglas-F-15C-Eagle/1370483

 

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/6288723

 

Edited January 19 by Kev2go

[bies]

53 minutes ago, Kev2go said:

I'm not sure if the new stick grip was added initially. The 1980s manuals I've seen have msip as having original stick grip like in this photo

MSIP II started in 1985, not 100% of the fleet has been upgraded instantly, first in Europe. Before 1985, original F-15C had obviously original old stick. Non-MSIP II Eagles were used by National Guard quite some time after 1985.

[Kev2go]

28 minutes ago, bies said:

MSIP II started in 1985, not 100% of the fleet has been upgraded instantly, first in Europe. Before 1985, original F-15C had obviously original old stick. Non-MSIP II Eagles were used by National Guard quite some time after 1985.

I don't think the old f15c photo I shared was a non msip 2 bird since it has mpcd.

 

No what I mean is original msip 2 birds  didnt have have advanced stick. I think It's a  1990s upgrade to the msip 2. There are various in incremental changes that don't differentiate an original 1985 msip 2 versus a post gulf war version terms of nomenclature but in terms of functionality some stuff like flight stick got replaced later.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 19 by Kev2go

[bies]

20 minutes ago, Kev2go said:

I don't think the old f15c photo I shared was a non msip 2 bird since it has mpcd.

 

No what I mean is original msip 2 birds  didnt have have advanced stick. I think It's a  1990s upgrade to the msip 2. There are various in incremental changes that don't differentiate an original 1985 msip 2 versus a post gulf war version terms of nomenclature but in terms of functionality some stuff like flight stick got replaced later.

Is' very much possible.

[Dragon1-1]

On 1/19/2025 at 10:04 PM, Kev2go said:

Also not sure how prevelant ins+gps or egi was circa 2005.

It's more or less same deal as INS vs. EGI in the Viper. The specific Viper we have has the INS, but many jets in that time period had an EGI already.

It would be nice to be able to remove Link-16 and JHMCS. GPS can be removed by setting your mission to an appropriate date, AIM-9X can be restricted in the loadout, while JHMCS can be swapped for NVGs by the player, but I don't think this can be forced.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

2 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

JHMCS can be swapped for NVGs by the player, but I don't think this can be forced.

The Mission Editor has the option to have the normal helmet equipped upon spawn, but I haven't seen any option to prevent the player from contacting the ground crew once spawned in to give the JHMQS - though ideally the mission date would take care of that.

[Kev2go]

On 1/24/2025 at 9:00 AM, Dragon1-1 said:

It's more or less same deal as INS vs. EGI in the Viper. The specific Viper we have has the INS, but many jets in that time period had an EGI already.

It would be nice to be able to remove Link-16 and JHMCS. GPS can be removed by setting your mission to an appropriate date, AIM-9X can be restricted in the loadout, while JHMCS can be swapped for NVGs by the player, but I don't think this can be forced.

sure GPS updating can be removed by date forcing nav system to fallback to INS only, but the new nav system can't be removed ( unless ED plans to do both variants). The pre EGI jets have different nav system with a different physical panel.

Edited January 26 by Kev2go

[walrusw]

+1 for a mid-80s Eagle, or at least ME options to disable GPS, DL & helmet

[Fitzcarraldo]

On 1/17/2025 at 8:19 AM, bies said:

Already in 1985 F-15C MSIP II received Programmable Armament Control Set (PACS), Multi-Purpose Color Display (MPCD), AN-ALR-56C RWR, AN/ALE-45 Chaff/Flare Dispenser, TWS radar mode, Non-Cooperative Target Recognition (NCTR), AIM-120 integration and wiring, new F-15 Advanced Control Stick Grip (ACSG) etc., cockpit already looks the same as mid-2000s, so adding this variant would be relatively easy, just removing few newer things.

 

I did not know this. This is a very good argument. Comparably small additional development work for big payoff.

Ladies and gentleman, give that thread 5 stars and upvote the OP. CW Germany needs era-accurate F-15s!

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Yes we do, but clearly ED is not interested: