DLSS 4

[AlessandroFuBu]

I can not going back after dlss4 with quest 3. Great improvement. The downside for me and for my playing style is basically insignificant

[paulferris]

Can anyone please suggest what I am doing wrong?

• I have an RTX 4090
• I've done a clean install of Geforce 572.42 drivers
• I have installed Nvidia Profile Inspector 2.4.0.16
• In Nvidia Profile Inspector, I have set 'DLSS - Enable Override' to on, and 'DLSS Forced Preset Letter' to always use the latest

However, using the 'show DLSS indicator' reg tweak in 2D (it won't display for me in VR), it shows that DCS is using 'Render Preset C - DLSSv3 v3.7.0 D3D11'??

Thanks

[sleighzy]

1 hour ago, paulferris said:

Can anyone please suggest what I am doing wrong?

• I have an RTX 4090
• I've done a clean install of Geforce 572.42 drivers
• I have installed Nvidia Profile Inspector 2.4.0.16
• In Nvidia Profile Inspector, I have set 'DLSS - Enable Override' to on, and 'DLSS Forced Preset Letter' to always use the latest

However, using the 'show DLSS indicator' reg tweak in 2D (it won't display for me in VR), it shows that DCS is using 'Render Preset C - DLSSv3 v3.7.0 D3D11'??

Thanks

Presumably you clicked "Appy changes"? What profile did you make the change to, e.g. _GLOBAL_DRIVER_PROFILE (there's a dropdown at the top of the screen)? Check what you have for the "Digital Combat Simulator: Black Shark" profile in case it's overriding the global profile.

You've never used DLSSTweaks in the past, so have none of those files in DCS? If you don't know what I mean then it likely means you haven't, which is good.

Note, I haven't upgraded to 572.42 yet so don't know if any change between 572.16 and that, would have thought others would have complained if that was the case.

Maybe drop a screenshot of NVPI as well.

Edited February 17 by sleighzy

[paulferris]

Thanks sleighzy. It looks like it may have sorted itself after another Windows restart, at least partially. It's now showing v.310.2.1 - albeit, curiously with preset C, as shown below. That doesn't change even if I set it to another specific preset.

Tried it in both the DCS Black Shark and the Global profile, and now using the latter. Changes were applied.

Never used DLSSTweaks, although - given the various methods described - I had tried DLSSSwapper. However, I reset the dlls in that to the original.

Edited February 17 by paulferris
clarity

[paulferris]

Now got it to show K - but required me to also change to override and use latest preset on DLSS-FG and DLSS-RR

[Habu_69]

My PC specs RTX-4090 and Ryzen 7 7800X3D. I have tried all the DLSS4 tweaks including the DCS  option quality and performance selections; and, honestly, I don't find the graphic anomalies, though quite subtle, worth the penalties, distant airplane spotting especially. I admit that shimmering disappeared almost completely, but a bit of shimmering is only apparent during ground ops. DLSS4 may be of greater value in a less robust PC. My $.02.

Edited February 17 by Habu_69

[Fiztex]

8 часов назад, Habu_69 сказал:

My PC specs RTX-4090 and Ryzen 7 7800X3D. I have tried all the DLSS4 tweaks including the DCS  option quality and performance selections; and, honestly, I don't find the graphic anomalies, though quite subtle, worth the penalties, distant airplane spotting especially. I admit that shimmering disappeared almost completely, but a bit of shimmering is only apparent during ground ops. DLSS4 may be of greater value in a less robust PC. My $.02.

You shouldn't be needing DLSS with a 4090. I'm running DLAA without DLSS on a config like yours. Quad views is you biggest friend with DLAA, it's miles better than what you can achieve with MSAA and a shimmerfest associated with it there.

[Simonster83]

Is there any benefit in upgrading to DLSS4 if I'm using DLAA? Headset Varjo Aero with 1.4 multiplier in focus region and everything looks really sharp as it is.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

If I understanding is correct, DLSS4 in DCS must be using DLAA in conjunction.

[AlessandroFuBu]

17 minuti fa, Simonster83 ha scritto:

Is there any benefit in upgrading to DLSS4 if I'm using DLAA? Headset Varjo Aero with 1.4 multiplier in focus region and everything looks really sharp as it is.

No benefit, it will be worse. If you play with dlaa and everything is smooth and sharp keep play that way if you are happy. DLSS is for getting more fps but the quality will be worse for sure then DLAA. DLSS4 preset k it will give less benefit in fps then dlss3 BUT will give you e better quality like mfds in your cockpit. Anyway DLSS 4 is stille "less beautiful" then pure DLAA like you play.

So if for you everything is ok with your configuration I wont change anything

[Hippo]

2 hours ago, Simonster83 said:

Is there any benefit in upgrading to DLSS4 if I'm using DLAA? Headset Varjo Aero with 1.4 multiplier in focus region and everything looks really sharp as it is.

I can't say for sure as I haven't tried it, but a quick AI-assisted search gives me:

 

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Yes, DLAA under DLSS 4 is considered to be different from DLAA under DLSS 3 because DLSS 4 utilizes a new "transformer" AI model which significantly improves the image quality of DLAA, offering better temporal stability, less ghosting, and higher detail in motion compared to the previous DLSS 3 implementation; essentially providing a more refined anti-aliasing experience with DLSS 4.

I suspect that the DLAA under DLSS v4 will give a better quality image than DLAA under DLSS v3, but at the cost of a performance hit (and more so on older generation nvidia GPUs).  I did try DLSS under DLSS v4 on my 3080 Ti and I would say that performance was the same or worse than DLAA under DLSS v3, so I didn't even think to try DLSS v4 DLAA.  Also, (any) DLSS + QVFR = too much shimmering in the periphery for me in my Quest Pro; so for now I'm sticking with DLAA, under DLSS v3.

(And NVIDIA could sure help avoid confusion if they put a bit more thought into the way they name these things).

 

Edited February 19 by Hippo

[Qcumber]

2 hours ago, Simonster83 said:

Is there any benefit in upgrading to DLSS4 if I'm using DLAA? Headset Varjo Aero with 1.4 multiplier in focus region and everything looks really sharp as it is.

The DLSS4 upgrade (3.10.2) includes new presets (J and K) which can be used with DLSS and DLAA. So, yes, it is worth upgrading. It reduces ghosting and other artifacts compared to the plastic version if DLSS 3 (3.8.10) and preset E or F. The default version in DCS is 3.7.0. 

[motoadve]

DLSS4 was removed in recent update.

You can tell the difference visually, but also runs a bit smoother in Single player, nothing is ever free.

I will re install DLSS 4, I use DLSS Tweaks with preset K which method do you guys use?

 

[slughead]

3 minutes ago, motoadve said:

DLSS4 was removed in recent update.

You can tell the difference visually, but also runs a bit smoother in Single player, nothing is ever free.

I will re install DLSS 4, I use DLSS Tweaks with preset K which method do you guys use?

 

Method?

[motoadve]

Plenty of ways to install DLSS4 , some confusing, I have been using DLSS tweaks.

[slughead]

1 minute ago, motoadve said:

Plenty of ways to install DLSS4 , some confusing, I have been using DLSS tweaks.

I use a mod manager to install both dlss4 and dlss tweaks. DLSS tweaks is simple. No extra mucking about with the Nivida profile inspector or other things are required.

[motoadve]

14 minutes ago, slughead said:

I use a mod manager to install both dlss4 and dlss tweaks. DLSS tweaks is simple. No extra mucking about with the Nivida profile inspector or other things are required.

Doesnt DLSS Tweaks installs DLSS 4? it has the nvngx.dll file 

How do you use the mods manager to do this?

Install in the mods folder in saved games and activate it from there?

Edited February 19 by motoadve

[slughead]

You need to install the dll yourself as far as I remember.

There's a wiki about ovgme. Just type ovgme into google. It's the first hit in my search.

[Qcumber]

The latest version of NVPI is the easiest option now. I have stopped using DLSSTweaks. 

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

1 hour ago, Qcumber said:

The latest version of NVPI is the easiest option now. I have stopped using DLSSTweaks. 

Link please?

[Qcumber]

35 minutes ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

Link please?

https://github.com/Orbmu2k/nvidiaProfileInspector/releases

It has an option that you can select the most up-to-date DLSS release. Just need to toggle this and select preset K.

[jnr4817]

Confirmed, i was able to change dlss preset to k and use latest dlss dll via nvpi. However, the global setting did not work for dcs i had to choose the game to get it to work. confirmed with dlssteaks hud.

[gonvise]

18 hours ago, AlessandroFuBu said:

No benefit, it will be worse. If you play with dlaa and everything is smooth and sharp keep play that way if you are happy. DLSS is for getting more fps but the quality will be worse for sure then DLAA. DLSS4 preset k it will give less benefit in fps then dlss3 BUT will give you e better quality like mfds in your cockpit. Anyway DLSS 4 is stille "less beautiful" then pure DLAA like you play.

So if for you everything is ok with your configuration I wont change anything

Sorry but not; I'm using only DLAA, and the move from DLSS 3 to DLSS 4 has greatly improved ghosting, almost eliminating it.

[slowmover]

19 hours ago, Qcumber said:

The DLSS4 upgrade (3.10.2) includes new presets (J and K) which can be used with DLSS and DLAA. So, yes, it is worth upgrading. It reduces ghosting and other artifacts compared to the plastic version if DLSS 3 (3.8.10) and preset E or F. The default version in DCS is 3.7.0. 

I was testing the new Dlss4 that came out the verzion  v310.2.1 with preset K and i notice that a/c with MFD i have problem to see the numbers. with the old v3.8.10 with preset F ( i remember i  used F with that verzion) i had no problem.
I use DLAA and DLSS upscale with Balanced of Performance
Anyone having this problem?

i also upload my profile

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Edited February 20 by slowmover

[AlessandroFuBu]

3 ore fa, gonvise ha scritto:

Sorry but not; I'm using only DLAA, and the move from DLSS 3 to DLSS 4 has greatly improved ghosting, almost eliminating it.

Do you use DLAA without dlss and do you have ghosting? When I use only DLAA without dlss I don't have any ghosting